Moro ivory pommel for comment

philkid · 16th October 2006, 02:50 PM

Hi guys, wanna know if anyone of you have encountered an ivory pommel with this shape? How old you think this is? Can someone also translate what is written on the blade. This is owned by a holy man. Comments will be much appreciated.

kino · 17th October 2006, 11:31 PM

Can you post photos of the whole sword?

Bill M · 18th October 2006, 01:46 AM

In my tradition the designs on the blade are called "sigils." The one on the right looks very familiar. Will need to do some research.

I like the piece,

Ian · 18th October 2006, 05:19 AM

Now that looks like an old and much handled piece of ivory. Lovely patina and carving that has been fondled.

The shape reminds me of one that our host, Lee, posted on the old Forum. I think we concluded it was an older style and more likely to be Malay or Brunei than Sulu or Mindanao.

I will look for that old thread.

Ian.

Edit: Here is the thread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000589.html but Lee's pictures are no longer there. However, there is a picture of Datu Piang (page 2) with a similar hilted sword

philkid · 18th October 2006, 05:22 AM

@ kino

Sorry promised the owner not the post the whole sword. It is now in his "private" collection.

kino · 18th October 2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by philkid

@ kino

Sorry promised the owner not the post the whole sword. It is now in his "private" collection.

"pisting yawa"

Spunjer · 18th October 2006, 02:16 PM

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"pisting yawa"

LOL!

last time i heard someone said that i did something i wasn't suppose to. too funny..

philkid · 18th October 2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

"pisting yawa"

Is it a joke or are you serious? If you are serious, "pisting yawa ka rin"

philkid · 18th October 2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Now that looks like an old and much handled piece of ivory. Lovely patina and carving that has been fondled.

The shape reminds me of one that our host, Lee, posted on the old Forum. I think we concluded it was an older style and more likely to be Malay or Brunei than Sulu or Mindanao.

I will look for that old thread.

Ian.

Edit: Here is the thread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000589.html but Lee's pictures are no longer there. However, there is a picture of Datu Piang (page 2) with a similar hilted sword

Thank you very much for the link. Much appreciated. About the arabic word on the blade, anyone here know how to translate it?

Battara · 18th October 2006, 06:51 PM

thanks Ian - I was looking for that link for my Datu Piang picture with a similar kris:

Battara · 18th October 2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by philkid

@ kino

Sorry promised the owner not the post the whole sword. It is now in his "private" collection.

What a shame - it would be good for research purposes.

kino · 18th October 2006, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philkid

Is it a joke or are you serious? If you are serious, "pisting yawa ka rin"

Just a joke, Pare.

Ian · 18th October 2006, 11:35 PM

kino/philkid:

English please guys ... no private jokes and let's keep the tone appropriate.

Ian.

16th October 2006, 02:50 PM	#1
philkid Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 52	Moro ivory pommel for comment Hi guys, wanna know if anyone of you have encountered an ivory pommel with this shape? How old you think this is? Can someone also translate what is written on the blade. This is owned by a holy man. Comments will be much appreciated. Attached Images

18th October 2006, 05:19 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,031	Nice old ivory ... Now that looks like an old and much handled piece of ivory. Lovely patina and carving that has been fondled. The shape reminds me of one that our host, Lee, posted on the old Forum. I think we concluded it was an older style and more likely to be Malay or Brunei than Sulu or Mindanao. I will look for that old thread. Ian. Edit: Here is the thread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000589.html but Lee's pictures are no longer there. However, there is a picture of Datu Piang (page 2) with a similar hilted sword

18th October 2006, 06:51 PM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	thanks Ian - I was looking for that link for my Datu Piang picture with a similar kris: Attached Images

18th October 2006, 11:35 PM	#13
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,031	Moderator's note kino/philkid: English please guys ... no private jokes and let's keep the tone appropriate. Ian.

17th October 2006, 11:31 PM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 973	Can you post photos of the whole sword?

18th October 2006, 01:46 AM	#3
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	In my tradition the designs on the blade are called "sigils." The one on the right looks very familiar. Will need to do some research. I like the piece,

18th October 2006, 05:22 AM	#5
philkid Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 52	@ kino Sorry promised the owner not the post the whole sword. It is now in his "private" collection.