It's the same old story - Page 2

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2008, 02:38 AM

I don't know what origin this blade is. I could give you half a dozen guesses, but without it in my hand , none would have a lot of value.

Rick, the way it works is this:- the ferric chloride will darken all ferric material, that means it will darken the iron, and it will darken the steel.

It will not darken any nickel.

If the pamor in this blade is comprised of varying types of iron, say a high phosphorus iron and a low phosphorus iron, as well as some steel, the colour variation will reflect the varying effect that the ferric chloride has on the different types of ferric material.

As to what effect warangan would have, that depends entirely on the person doing the job and the warangan:- you could get a similar effect to the one you have achieved by using warangan---or more precisely, by under using it.

Ferric chloride will give you a muddy result if there are any little specks of rust anywhere on the blade.
If you overdo it, it will darken everything a lot.
It is easy to overdo it, with ferric chloride I usually work in front of a running tap, wash off quickly as soon as the colour comes up, kill it with a bicarb slurry, then I polish the blade with worn out 1200W&D, sometimes with 0000steel wool.

Quite frankly, this blade looks OK to me. Maybe I'd give it a whisker more colour, but its quite OK as it is.

Rick · 22nd August 2008, 03:18 AM

Ahh, okay .
The first etch came out muddy .
I neutralized the etch w/a baking soda slurry.
Then I hit the blade with a hot Lime etch which cleaned a lot of the mud off .
After that a quick etch with ferric, possibly 10 distilled x 1 FECL mix at room temp .

The pattern came out fast and I stopped it before it got too dark .

Call me a wimp; see if I care .

What kind of dress would be proper for this keris ?
It came with the standard (but good) 'Bali Tourist Dress' .

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2008, 03:39 AM

Looking at it in this orientation I can tell a lot more about it than I can in the other orientation.

In my opinion this is a Bali or Lombok blade.

Bali gayam would work well, or just leave as is with the tourist dress. In my opinion this so-called tourist dress has now become collectable, and if the example you have is OK, why bother to change it?

asomotif · 22nd August 2008, 10:50 AM

Rick,

Indeed, the core is light, while that should become 'black'.

Never the less, for some home experiences I think that you created a nice finish. I don't really like the black javanese look on balinese keris anyway.

Best regards
Willem

Rick · 22nd August 2008, 02:32 PM

Thanks Gentlemen .
I guess I'll work on the sarong to improve the fit a little; then I'll reassemble it .
I think it's an older fairly high quality (materials) forging; maybe tempered .
It has a nice voice though maybe not the best workmanship .

Another stain recipe :

Sulphur
Salt
Lemon juice .

22nd August 2008, 03:39 AM	#33
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,708	Looking at it in this orientation I can tell a lot more about it than I can in the other orientation. In my opinion this is a Bali or Lombok blade. Bali gayam would work well, or just leave as is with the tourist dress. In my opinion this so-called tourist dress has now become collectable, and if the example you have is OK, why bother to change it? Attached Images

22nd August 2008, 02:32 PM	#35
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,263	Thanks Gentlemen . I guess I'll work on the sarong to improve the fit a little; then I'll reassemble it . I think it's an older fairly high quality (materials) forging; maybe tempered . It has a nice voice though maybe not the best workmanship . Another stain recipe : Sulphur Salt Lemon juice . Last edited by Rick; 12th October 2008 at 04:26 PM.

22nd August 2008, 02:38 AM	#31
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,708	I don't know what origin this blade is. I could give you half a dozen guesses, but without it in my hand , none would have a lot of value. Rick, the way it works is this:- the ferric chloride will darken all ferric material, that means it will darken the iron, and it will darken the steel. It will not darken any nickel. If the pamor in this blade is comprised of varying types of iron, say a high phosphorus iron and a low phosphorus iron, as well as some steel, the colour variation will reflect the varying effect that the ferric chloride has on the different types of ferric material. As to what effect warangan would have, that depends entirely on the person doing the job and the warangan:- you could get a similar effect to the one you have achieved by using warangan---or more precisely, by under using it. Ferric chloride will give you a muddy result if there are any little specks of rust anywhere on the blade. If you overdo it, it will darken everything a lot. It is easy to overdo it, with ferric chloride I usually work in front of a running tap, wash off quickly as soon as the colour comes up, kill it with a bicarb slurry, then I polish the blade with worn out 1200W&D, sometimes with 0000steel wool. Quite frankly, this blade looks OK to me. Maybe I'd give it a whisker more colour, but its quite OK as it is.

22nd August 2008, 03:18 AM	#32
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,263	Ahh, okay . The first etch came out muddy . I neutralized the etch w/a baking soda slurry. Then I hit the blade with a hot Lime etch which cleaned a lot of the mud off . After that a quick etch with ferric, possibly 10 distilled x 1 FECL mix at room temp . The pattern came out fast and I stopped it before it got too dark . Call me a wimp; see if I care . What kind of dress would be proper for this keris ? It came with the standard (but good) 'Bali Tourist Dress' .

22nd August 2008, 10:50 AM	#34
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Rick, Indeed, the core is light, while that should become 'black'. Never the less, for some home experiences I think that you created a nice finish. I don't really like the black javanese look on balinese keris anyway. Best regards Willem