Dha for comment/discussion

Taffjones · 12th March 2013, 10:13 PM

Hi Guys,
Received this sword recently believe it to be a Dha. It measures 86cm in length and the blade is 14mm thick at the hilt end tapering down in thickness towards the rounded tip. The blade also increases in width from 28mm at the hilt end to 40mm at the tip. Unfortunately there is no scabbard and it looks like the top of the hilt top is missing.
There are two surprises for me with this sword. Firstly the balance and handling, it feels very much like a japanese wakizashi in the hand even though it has the appearance of a chopper and secondly the spatula type rounded tip, at first I thought it was a cut down but on closer examination I believe this is not the case.

Comments both positive and negative appreciated as always.

Taff

Iain · 12th March 2013, 10:30 PM

Nice to see a dha posted. Haven't seen one in a while here.

Looks to be a good example although the pommel cap is missing?

A similar sword on the Dha Index. http://dharesearch.bowditch.us/0037.htm

I'm sure others will be able to tell you much more.

Taffjones · 13th March 2013, 04:04 PM

Thanks for posting the link Iain, there is some good information on this site. It seems to match the description of a Shan Dha. Would any fellow forum member be able to help me find out.

What situation the Dha was designed to be used for and secondly,
what is the purpose of the spatula type tip.

Thanks
Darren

David R · 13th March 2013, 10:16 PM

And from me a thank you for the link...that is a very interesting site. Hmmm I think I now want another Dha, I only have a Dha Hmyaung so far.

laEspadaAncha · 14th March 2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Taffjones

...It seems to match the description of a Shan Dha. Would any fellow forum member be able to help me find out.

What situation the Dha was designed to be used for and secondly,
what is the purpose of the spatula type tip.

Thanks
Darren

Hi Darren,

You might also enjoy reading this article, co-written (along with a couple forumites) by the same person who published the above-linked site (another forumite) ---> The Swords of Continental Southeast Asia ...as well as the accompanying catalog of examples.

Cheers,
Chris

kronckew · 14th March 2013, 09:43 AM

mine has a razor sharp 'spatula'. against an un-armoured opponent, it doesn't have to be pointy. northern thai/burmese like these styles.

it puts a bit more weight forward & is a bit better for slashing cuts. see also our thread on rounded tip swords in general: LINKY

Taffjones · 14th March 2013, 04:55 PM

Just had a good look through the links supplied by kronckew and Chris very interesting.
Is this Dha found throughout Thailand/Burma or is it specific to a particular region etc.

What gets me is that when you make a sweeping or slashing motion with a weapon like this you to some extent telegraph your intentions in conducting this movement making it easier for your oponent to defend against your actions. Or even worse thrust through you.

Darren

kronckew · 14th March 2013, 10:04 PM

people have been arguing cut vs. thrust for more years than we have left to do the same

i am reminded of jim bowie on the sandbar in 1827. stabbed thru the chest with a sword-cane, he killed the swordsman, gutting him with his bowie knife & slashed off another attacker's arm, ending the 1 armed man's attack. bowie was also shot a few times. he somehow survived that day. a thrust is most likely to kill in the long run, usually by infection, but less likely to incapacitate, many men have walked down a rapier/sword thrust thru them to inflict serious damage or death on the thruster. if you've had your arm or leg slashed off, you cannot thrust again effectively.

the romans won half the world by using a short but wide thrusting sword, one roman writer wrote that 3 inches of gladius thrust into the enemy usually killed them, the truth was more complex. the roman shield wall would open a small gap for each man to thrust their swords forward. they would then close the wall and push forward, knocking the just wounded to the ground. then the wall opened and did the same. over and over, a buzz saw. as they advanced the ranks behind would finish off the hobnail boot trampled wounded enemies, or fill in any gap left by fallen comrades, or on command would relieve them to allow them a rest rotation. they were also not above slashing where appropriate or using their shields as offensive weapons.

in any case, in a war, the object is not so much to kill an enemy as to wound them or intimidate, a dead man is beyond help. a wounded man takes 4-5 other men to care for and feed him while he recovers, thus running the enemy out of resources more rapidly. a slashed man generally looks horrific as well, intimidating others who don't want to look like that. a man with a simple thrust wound doesn't look particularly horrible.

12th March 2013, 10:13 PM	#1
Taffjones Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Abertridwr Posts: 50	Dha for comment/discussion Hi Guys, Received this sword recently believe it to be a Dha. It measures 86cm in length and the blade is 14mm thick at the hilt end tapering down in thickness towards the rounded tip. The blade also increases in width from 28mm at the hilt end to 40mm at the tip. Unfortunately there is no scabbard and it looks like the top of the hilt top is missing. There are two surprises for me with this sword. Firstly the balance and handling, it feels very much like a japanese wakizashi in the hand even though it has the appearance of a chopper and secondly the spatula type rounded tip, at first I thought it was a cut down but on closer examination I believe this is not the case. Comments both positive and negative appreciated as always. Taff Attached Images

14th March 2013, 09:43 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	mine has a razor sharp 'spatula'. against an un-armoured opponent, it doesn't have to be pointy. northern thai/burmese like these styles. it puts a bit more weight forward & is a bit better for slashing cuts. see also our thread on rounded tip swords in general: LINKY Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 14th March 2013 at 10:11 AM.

12th March 2013, 10:30 PM	#2
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,680	Nice to see a dha posted. Haven't seen one in a while here. Looks to be a good example although the pommel cap is missing? A similar sword on the Dha Index. http://dharesearch.bowditch.us/0037.htm I'm sure others will be able to tell you much more.

13th March 2013, 04:04 PM	#3
Taffjones Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Abertridwr Posts: 50	Thanks for posting the link Iain, there is some good information on this site. It seems to match the description of a Shan Dha. Would any fellow forum member be able to help me find out. What situation the Dha was designed to be used for and secondly, what is the purpose of the spatula type tip. Thanks Darren

13th March 2013, 10:16 PM	#4
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,052	And from me a thank you for the link...that is a very interesting site. Hmmm I think I now want another Dha, I only have a Dha Hmyaung so far.

14th March 2013, 04:55 PM	#7
Taffjones Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Abertridwr Posts: 50	Just had a good look through the links supplied by kronckew and Chris very interesting. Is this Dha found throughout Thailand/Burma or is it specific to a particular region etc. What gets me is that when you make a sweeping or slashing motion with a weapon like this you to some extent telegraph your intentions in conducting this movement making it easier for your oponent to defend against your actions. Or even worse thrust through you. Darren

14th March 2013, 10:04 PM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	people have been arguing cut vs. thrust for more years than we have left to do the same i am reminded of jim bowie on the sandbar in 1827. stabbed thru the chest with a sword-cane, he killed the swordsman, gutting him with his bowie knife & slashed off another attacker's arm, ending the 1 armed man's attack. bowie was also shot a few times. he somehow survived that day. a thrust is most likely to kill in the long run, usually by infection, but less likely to incapacitate, many men have walked down a rapier/sword thrust thru them to inflict serious damage or death on the thruster. if you've had your arm or leg slashed off, you cannot thrust again effectively. the romans won half the world by using a short but wide thrusting sword, one roman writer wrote that 3 inches of gladius thrust into the enemy usually killed them, the truth was more complex. the roman shield wall would open a small gap for each man to thrust their swords forward. they would then close the wall and push forward, knocking the just wounded to the ground. then the wall opened and did the same. over and over, a buzz saw. as they advanced the ranks behind would finish off the hobnail boot trampled wounded enemies, or fill in any gap left by fallen comrades, or on command would relieve them to allow them a rest rotation. they were also not above slashing where appropriate or using their shields as offensive weapons. in any case, in a war, the object is not so much to kill an enemy as to wound them or intimidate, a dead man is beyond help. a wounded man takes 4-5 other men to care for and feed him while he recovers, thus running the enemy out of resources more rapidly. a slashed man generally looks horrific as well, intimidating others who don't want to look like that. a man with a simple thrust wound doesn't look particularly horrible.