EARLY SKETCH OF LUTAO SPEARDANCE

zamboanga · 4th April 2005, 03:24 AM

Found this one at: http://www.hmschallenger.org/

The H.M.S Challenger expedition was the first round the world oceanographic voyage in 1872-1875. Among the places visited by the ship was my City spelled as Samboangan in the book.

Scanned images and pages of the original narrative volumes included this picture of Lutao spear dance. The spears' profile appear to be sangkil-sulayang and not budiaks.

Entire scanned pages of the article on the ship's Zamboanga leg are highlighted in zamboanga's main site : www.zamboanga.com

Bill M · 4th April 2005, 02:45 PM

WOW! Those guys had some BIG shields!

tom hyle · 4th April 2005, 05:36 PM

Well, they tend to be small guys, but yeah, even in absolute terms the Moro roundshield is big; fairly comparable to the hoplon, probably as large as any shield for hand-to-hand fighting, and seems fairly distinct within the region; all the other oceanic SE Asian shields I can recall are either long or else small. The shield is shown with straps, while those I've seen had wooden grips, though they do go on the arm similarly. How much direct trading have Moros traditionally done with Muslim E Africans? The use of the barbed spear for hand-to-hand combat is interesting (presumeably this dance is an imitation of combat), and is also seen out of Luzon. The kris both seem rather small, and the tips of their sheaths don't look right. Some of these features may be fanciful, and that's always a greater danger with drawings than photos. Thanks for the pic.

fearn · 4th April 2005, 09:18 PM

Hi Tom,

If you have Donn Draeger's Weapons and Fighting Arts of Indonesia (or whatever the title is), check out the picture of the warriors from Nias. They have pretty large shields as well, although they aren't as large as these Moro monsters.

Fearn

tom hyle · 4th April 2005, 11:09 PM

I don't have it, but thanks for the info. The Nias shields are round?

Battara · 5th April 2005, 02:23 AM

Zamboanga, what is a sangkil-sulayang spear?

4th April 2005, 03:24 AM	#1
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	EARLY SKETCH OF LUTAO SPEARDANCE Found this one at: http://www.hmschallenger.org/ The H.M.S Challenger expedition was the first round the world oceanographic voyage in 1872-1875. Among the places visited by the ship was my City spelled as Samboangan in the book. Scanned images and pages of the original narrative volumes included this picture of Lutao spear dance. The spears' profile appear to be sangkil-sulayang and not budiaks. Entire scanned pages of the article on the ship's Zamboanga leg are highlighted in zamboanga's main site : www.zamboanga.com Attached Images Last edited by zamboanga; 4th April 2005 at 03:36 AM. Reason: grammar

4th April 2005, 05:36 PM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Well, they tend to be small guys, but yeah, even in absolute terms the Moro roundshield is big; fairly comparable to the hoplon, probably as large as any shield for hand-to-hand fighting, and seems fairly distinct within the region; all the other oceanic SE Asian shields I can recall are either long or else small. The shield is shown with straps, while those I've seen had wooden grips, though they do go on the arm similarly. How much direct trading have Moros traditionally done with Muslim E Africans? The use of the barbed spear for hand-to-hand combat is interesting (presumeably this dance is an imitation of combat), and is also seen out of Luzon. The kris both seem rather small, and the tips of their sheaths don't look right. Some of these features may be fanciful, and that's always a greater danger with drawings than photos. Thanks for the pic. Last edited by tom hyle; 4th April 2005 at 05:58 PM.

4th April 2005, 02:45 PM	#2
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	WOW! Those guys had some BIG shields!

4th April 2005, 09:18 PM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Tom, If you have Donn Draeger's Weapons and Fighting Arts of Indonesia (or whatever the title is), check out the picture of the warriors from Nias. They have pretty large shields as well, although they aren't as large as these Moro monsters. Fearn

4th April 2005, 11:09 PM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I don't have it, but thanks for the info. The Nias shields are round?

5th April 2005, 02:23 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Zamboanga, what is a sangkil-sulayang spear?