dha handles for ID

cedric Le Dauphin · 14th November 2006, 08:26 AM

Hi! everyone

I have a few dha handles to identify. I know that the forum has some specialists of this weapon. Thanks to then for enlightening an amateur on their provenance.
I was also wondering about the recursive subject of the sculpture. The one I have seem to have a "monster" bearing a prince on their back. I thought of Satsuma carried by Kalmasapada, but I don't even know if they exists in the local folklore.
Thanks to all of you

Ian · 14th November 2006, 01:48 PM

Hi Cedric:

Good to see another dha fancier on the forum.

Lovely carved hilts. All of these appear to be Burmese in origin, or at least in the Burmese style. Many of these hilts are also given a provenance of "hill tribe" -- indicating they may be from the NE area of Burma, traditionally a Shan region but with other ethnic groups as well.

I don't think all of these examples are necessarily Shan or from that area. I have not seen this form of intricate ivory carving, which resembles Chinese carving in style (sometimes with a figure inside the network of vines and leaves), on Thai, Lao or Cambodian knives and swords.

The Shan were originally from China and were forced south in the 13-14th C., so a link to traditional Chinese ivory carving would make sense.

Ian.

Battara · 14th November 2006, 07:40 PM

Ian would it be correct to say that all of these examples so far are not temple or priest hilts?

PUFF · 15th November 2006, 02:36 AM

I placed a pic in Dahb's hilt thread here...

http://www.gun.in.th/webboard/index....threadid=10923

Comments will be translated for you

Ian · 15th November 2006, 03:05 AM

PUFF:

What is the dahb directly above the hilt that you posted on that thread?

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUFF

I placed a pic in Dahb's hilt thread here...

http://www.gun.in.th/webboard/index....threadid=10923

Comments will be translated for you

PUFF · 15th November 2006, 10:50 AM

It 's oval x-section style, found in the northern part of Thailand. We are going to classify this style as an oval hilt family. One guy said that the wooden ones are copies of a silver one. And one guy suggested that the style might be inspired by japanese one.

We still don't know about the carved one. One one guy mentioned that the style could be burmese.

Ian · 15th November 2006, 03:01 AM

I think that is correct Jose. These are usually seen on knives made for cutting and stabbing rather than for spiritual purposes.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by Battara

Ian would it be correct to say that all of these examples so far are not temple or priest hilts?

14th November 2006, 08:26 AM	#1
cedric Le Dauphin Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 34	dha handles for ID Hi! everyone I have a few dha handles to identify. I know that the forum has some specialists of this weapon. Thanks to then for enlightening an amateur on their provenance. I was also wondering about the recursive subject of the sculpture. The one I have seem to have a "monster" bearing a prince on their back. I thought of Satsuma carried by Kalmasapada, but I don't even know if they exists in the local folklore. Thanks to all of you Attached Images

14th November 2006, 01:48 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,035	Hi Cedric: Good to see another dha fancier on the forum. Lovely carved hilts. All of these appear to be Burmese in origin, or at least in the Burmese style. Many of these hilts are also given a provenance of "hill tribe" -- indicating they may be from the NE area of Burma, traditionally a Shan region but with other ethnic groups as well. I don't think all of these examples are necessarily Shan or from that area. I have not seen this form of intricate ivory carving, which resembles Chinese carving in style (sometimes with a figure inside the network of vines and leaves), on Thai, Lao or Cambodian knives and swords. The Shan were originally from China and were forced south in the 13-14th C., so a link to traditional Chinese ivory carving would make sense. Ian.

14th November 2006, 07:40 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Ian would it be correct to say that all of these examples so far are not temple or priest hilts?

15th November 2006, 02:36 AM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	I placed a pic in Dahb's hilt thread here... http://www.gun.in.th/webboard/index....threadid=10923 Comments will be translated for you

15th November 2006, 10:50 AM	#6
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	It 's oval x-section style, found in the northern part of Thailand. We are going to classify this style as an oval hilt family. One guy said that the wooden ones are copies of a silver one. And one guy suggested that the style might be inspired by japanese one. We still don't know about the carved one. One one guy mentioned that the style could be burmese.