Ottoman kilij blade with ( Kufic) calligraphy, syrian presentation case ?

francantolin · 8th June 2019, 04:02 PM

Hello everybody,

A good friend bought this blade some time ago,
a kilij ( turkish ?) shape ( I think ) but it is a really long piece !
1 meter - 39,4 inches long !

Maybe I will buy it !

Do you think its an old blade ?

Maybe with more recent engravings ?

The engravings on the blade are nice and well made,
I think the style is Kufic calligraphy
but many signs are strange/ unusual ...

so I wonder if it was really made by arabophone craftsman or maybe is it indian work ( per example ) ?

It comes with a nice wooden box,
Syrian-north african style ?
Well made too, I like it ! ( and 1m12 - 44 inches long !... )
It don't seems too old, maybe from the middle 20th century ?...

In the box, there is still the shape for put the complete sword with mounts and scabbard, more the shape of a shamshir hilt.

Where are they now ?!

The blade fits good inside, I think it's the right blade made for this box case.

What do you think ?!

Thank you

francantolin · 8th June 2019, 04:04 PM

The box...

francantolin · 8th June 2019, 04:09 PM

Here the golden calligraphy,
can anybody translate ?
( If possible

)

francantolin · 8th June 2019, 04:12 PM

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francantolin · 8th June 2019, 04:14 PM

I just recognise '' Allah ''
in the center of this picture.

YataganMan · 8th June 2019, 10:37 PM

What this is ,is a cheap newly made syrian imitation of an ottoman blade, floating in numbers in istanbul going for about 100 -150 us dollars.The overlay is not ottoman but again simply a degenerated copy of kufic work which is difficult to translate.The shape of blade
its size ,possibly its weight and the ornementation are all wrong.Sorry to be sounding very negative but Id let the buyer beaware (cveat emptor )
Regards
Yataganman

A.alnakkas · 9th June 2019, 01:50 PM

Hello,

Can you take better photos of the steel? Syrians make blades that look great but those blades tend to be crowbar heavy. A pattern can tell a lot. Tang is definitely new but that is ok.

8th June 2019, 04:02 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 813	Ottoman kilij blade with ( Kufic) calligraphy, syrian presentation case ? Hello everybody, A good friend bought this blade some time ago, a kilij ( turkish ?) shape ( I think ) but it is a really long piece ! 1 meter - 39,4 inches long ! Maybe I will buy it ! Do you think its an old blade ? Maybe with more recent engravings ? The engravings on the blade are nice and well made, I think the style is Kufic calligraphy but many signs are strange/ unusual ... so I wonder if it was really made by arabophone craftsman or maybe is it indian work ( per example ) ? It comes with a nice wooden box, Syrian-north african style ? Well made too, I like it ! ( and 1m12 - 44 inches long !... ) It don't seems too old, maybe from the middle 20th century ?... In the box, there is still the shape for put the complete sword with mounts and scabbard, more the shape of a shamshir hilt. Where are they now ?! The blade fits good inside, I think it's the right blade made for this box case. What do you think ?! Thank you Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 813	The box... Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 813	Here the golden calligraphy, can anybody translate ? ( If possible ) Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 813	. Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 813	I just recognise '' Allah '' in the center of this picture. Attached Images

8th June 2019, 10:37 PM	#6
YataganMan Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14	ottoman kilich blade ?? What this is ,is a cheap newly made syrian imitation of an ottoman blade, floating in numbers in istanbul going for about 100 -150 us dollars.The overlay is not ottoman but again simply a degenerated copy of kufic work which is difficult to translate.The shape of blade its size ,possibly its weight and the ornementation are all wrong.Sorry to be sounding very negative but Id let the buyer beaware (cveat emptor ) Regards Yataganman

9th June 2019, 01:50 PM	#7
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,338	Hello, Can you take better photos of the steel? Syrians make blades that look great but those blades tend to be crowbar heavy. A pattern can tell a lot. Tang is definitely new but that is ok.