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Old 25th February 2012, 02:23 PM   #1
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Default Sudanese small shield with spear tip ?? on eBay

This recently finished on eBay.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3208496613...84.m1438.l2649

Has anyone seen anything like this before ? Fantasy piece, ceremonial or battle ready piece ?

What do you think ?

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Old 25th February 2012, 02:57 PM   #2
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Hello David,

never seen something like this before. Is it a tortoiseshell covered with leather? The patina at the handle seems to be great.

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Old 25th February 2012, 04:26 PM   #3
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I sure would like to see the critter that shell came from .
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Old 25th February 2012, 04:51 PM   #4
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On page 94/95 from the Benitez & Barbier book "Shields" is shown a shield from Sudan made from tortoise carapace.
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Old 25th February 2012, 11:26 PM   #5
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On page 94/95 from the Benitez & Barbier book "Shields" is shown a shield from Sudan made from tortoise carapace.
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Nicely done response Detlef!!! and with source, excellent match.
That is a great book on shields, which unfortunately I dont have, but it seems has the most comprehensive references on shields, and one of the few books on the topic.

Thanks for posting this David, something I had never seen before, another for the notes

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Old 26th February 2012, 02:58 AM   #6
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Nicely done response Detlef!!! and with source, excellent match.
That is a great book on shields, which unfortunately I dont have, but it seems has the most comprehensive references on shields, and one of the few books on the topic.
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Thank you Jim. This book is a must-have for collectors of shields, a very good reference book of this topic.

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Old 25th February 2012, 06:04 PM   #7
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Hello David,

never seen something like this before. Is it a tortoiseshell covered with leather? The patina at the handle seems to be great.

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Hi Detlef,
I believe leather covered turtle shell. Presumedly damp leather was fixed over the shell and as it dried, contracted tightly around it.
Thanks for posting the picture of the toitoise shelled example

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I sure would like to see the critter that shell came from .
I would imagine, probably less than the "critter" wanted to see the guy that thought 'you'd make a good shield'

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Its real enough - one of those unusual concoctions thrown up in the Mahdist period, most likely. I've seen a number....
Hi Colin,
thanks for the input. Price seemed excessive to me though.


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Old 25th February 2012, 05:42 PM   #8
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Its real enough - one of those unusual concoctions thrown up in the Mahdist period, most likely. I've seen a number....
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Old 12th April 2012, 02:31 PM   #9
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Hello to you all from a "rookie"!
As I bought the shield after a serious deal and I have it in my hands I can confirm that it definitely made from the bellyside of a turtle carapace; it looks a sudanese/dinka item , as well as the nice short barbed spear with reptile (monitor?) skin .
I already had a sudanese shield made from the same stuff with a decorated metal rim and indo persian like buckles to hold the handle in place, forced in an "horizontal" shape but showing exactly the same natural pattern.
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Old 12th April 2012, 09:40 PM   #10
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I hadn't noticed this thread before.

This older thread may be of interest: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2522

As well as this Dinka turtle amulet (complete turtle shell): http://southernsudan.prm.ox.ac.uk/de...9.20.130_c.jpg

And this Dinka croc skin shield: http://southernsudan.prm.ox.ac.uk/details/1979.20.116/
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Old 16th April 2012, 11:52 AM   #11
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Hi, wel as I again noticed this thread I have just noticed such particular turtle shield used as an old souvenir-painting. This example is 32cm high.

It may require some 'carefull looking' to see its the same type of shield. See the ribbled surface and the dried remains of the skincovering. Lovely painting ahum ahum isnt it?!
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