Another Java kris for identification

[Paul B.]

Here is another kris which puzzles me.
Right now I am showing only the sorsoran part to show the ricikan and peksi and hope to find some answers.
It is a slender 9 luk blade anyway.

* Is this a ganjairas blade? Probably so.
* The circular pamor motif in the pejetan area, what does it tell us.
* This is a blade with panji pilis kinatah mas. Not gold paint but some kind of foil (crumbling off a bit).
* The upper wavy ganja part once had goud incrustations as well, from the side I can see a rim?
* Funny repeating greneng of similar kind (cut later?).
* The peksi is smooth, so what does it tell about age? Not to old?

[David]

Paul, it's hard for me to assess a keris without seeing not just close photos of parts of the blade, but some good shots of the entire blade, preferably from directly above to avoid distortion of the shape and with the point facing upward.
I suspect this might be a Sumatran keris, but can't be sure.

[Paul B.]

Hope this will do.
Nothing in common with a Sumatran blade I suppose.
I can make better / more pics if needed.

[David]

Thanks Paul.
Keris are alway best viewed point up when trying to make a proper assessment.

[Paul B.]

Hmmm, no one joining in?

[David]

Originally Posted by Paul B.

Hmmm, no one joining in?

Well Paul, i'll address some of your questions.

* Is this a ganjairas blade? Probably so.
Yes, definitely.

* The circular pamor motif in the pejetan area, what does it tell us.
It's part of the pamor pattern, yes. What do you think it should "tell us"?

* This is a blade with panji pilis kinatah mas. Not gold paint but some kind of foil (crumbling off a bit).

Yes, i have seen this foil application many times, mostly on Sumatran keris which is why my first suggestion was that this could be a Sumatran blade.

* Funny repeating greneng of similar kind (cut later?).
Funny indeed, but i think probably cut originally. It has obviously been worn down some so it is hard to tell what it originally looked like, but from what remains it does not seem to fall into any greneng pattern that would make much sense on a Javanese keris.

* The peksi is smooth, so what does it tell about age? Not to old?
Yes, the pesi is smooth, but it appears to be worn smooth for some reason. While this blade isn't ancient, it does seem to exhibit some legitimate age. But then, some people are very good at faking such things.