Bolo Or Tenegre???

Robert · 10th February 2011, 03:07 AM

Hello everyone, This arrived today with gold paint all over the steel collar on the hilt and even some on the horn part. Here are a couple of pictures of when it arrived with the paint and a couple more after a little cleaning. Sorry about the quality of mine as I had to take them inside with a flash. My main questions are, what is the correct name for this and where is it from??? My guess would be the Visayan but where exactly. All help will be greatly appreciated.

Robert

Battara · 10th February 2011, 03:09 AM

Well Visayans is correct. Might be Iloilo, but not sure. Some Visayans would call it a binagon, but if from Iloilo, then may be different. I'll wait for others to chime in (please?).

ThePepperSkull · 10th February 2011, 07:58 AM

Agreed. Definitely Ilo Ilo. Left-hander, too. Don't see those everyday. Far from rare, but still very very nice to see

migueldiaz · 10th February 2011, 02:13 PM

I think it's called a binangon, and looks like it's from Panay Island as said. But let's see what the Ilonggos have to say.

There's a Visayan sword that just finished on eBay (c/o 'artotec') having a similar hilt (pics attached).

migueldiaz · 10th February 2011, 02:19 PM

There's also a Lumad sword posted a long time ago which hilt is similar.

This Lumad sword's blade looks like a Visayan ginunting, however. Thus perhaps the sword originated from Panay, and was just dressed up later by the Lumad who got it.

In summary, the unusual hilt (i.e., with bulging 'eyes' to its left and right) looks like it's really Visayan.

Robert · 10th February 2011, 04:30 PM

Thank you all for your help so far in trying to identify where this is from and what it is called. The reason I thinking tenegre was more because of the shape of the blade than anything else.
Here is another that hasn't arrived yet that has a hilt that is similar in style but not exactly the same. The pictures are from the auction. At one time the scabbard on this one was covered in thin pieces of horn. Too bad it is now in such poor condition.

The tip looks to be worn away instead of being broken.

Robert

Nirghosa · 10th February 2011, 11:34 PM

Was watching this one as well. Definitely a Tenegre
I've seen this similar handle on a few different items. It's quite easy to make (if that means anything).

Robert · 10th February 2011, 11:52 PM

Hello Nirghosa and thank you not only for your reply but also for not bidding.

Now not trying to sound too dense, to which item are you referring the first or second ?

Robert

Nirghosa · 11th February 2011, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Hello Nirghosa and thank you not only for your reply but also for not bidding.

Now not trying to sound too dense, to which item are you referring the first or second ?

Robert

Sorry

, I was referring to the first one.

migueldiaz · 11th February 2011, 12:34 AM

The second one looks like a binangon to me as well

Sajen · 12th February 2011, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Hello everyone, This arrived today with gold paint all over the steel collar on the hilt and even some on the horn part. Here are a couple of pictures of when it arrived with the paint and a couple more after a little cleaning. Sorry about the quality of mine as I had to take them inside with a flash. My main questions are, what is the correct name for this and where is it from??? My guess would be the Visayan but where exactly. All help will be greatly appreciated.

Robert

Hello Robert,

I like your binagon very much, it's a shame that it missing it's sheath. Here you can see my binagon: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11550

Best regards,

Detlef

Dimasalang · 12th February 2011, 07:44 PM

One of mine. Cant remember if I bought it from a member here or somewhere else online.

Robert · 12th February 2011, 08:25 PM

Detlef. Thank you very much for your kind words and for the link to your wonderful binangon. Yes it is a shame that the scabbard is missing on mine but one of these days if I cannot find an original one that it will fit properly I will carve one myself. Unfortunately I have many projects ahead of it.

Dimasalang, I thank you also for the pictures of your wonderful binagon. If you would, could you post a picture that shows the complete scabbard of yours? The one that you have (except for the hilt being of wood) looks so much like mine that I believe a scabbard in the same style as yours might also be appropriate for mine. What are your thoughts on this?

Again my thanks to everyone for their help.

Robert

Ferguson · 14th February 2011, 01:40 AM

Hi Robert,
My first PI piece was a bolo like yours that I found at a yard sale. It's the 2nd piece from the top in the photo. In my first post here on the old forum, I was told it was from Iloilo on Panay, in the Visayas. The knob hilt with the long ferrule seems to be common in that area. It's still one of my favorite types of bolo.

Steve

Dimasalang · 14th February 2011, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Dimasalang, I thank you also for the pictures of your wonderful binagon. If you would, could you post a picture that shows the complete scabbard of yours? The one that you have (except for the hilt being of wood) looks so much like mine that I believe a scabbard in the same style as yours might also be appropriate for mine. What are your thoughts on this?

Sure!

Mine looks very similar to this one as well.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...9&postcount=10

The blade itself is not wide but I would say thin...and makes up for it in thickness. I actually love how thin it is...it actually feels somewhat similar to a heavy stick...something that modern eskrimadors would feel familiar with. The big knobs on both sides of the handle actually do help. I actually thought it was a pinuti. I don't know anymore...Im just as lost as I was when I first started.

More research needs to be done on these types of swords.

Robert · 15th February 2011, 07:21 PM

Steve, Great pieces. So this is the infamous piece that got it all started for you.

Very nice. Thank you for posting the picture.

Dimasalang, Thank you for posting the picture and for the link. I hope that some day I will be able to find one of these long skinny pinuti/tenegre ???

Thank you all again for your help.

Robert

Robert · 17th February 2011, 05:39 AM

Here are a couple of pictures of the second binangon after a "believe it or not" very light cleaning. The hilt has been polished by years of use to this smooth finish that was brought out by only a little soap and water and a coat of ren wax polished with a soft cloth.

10th February 2011, 03:07 AM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Bolo Or Tenegre??? Hello everyone, This arrived today with gold paint all over the steel collar on the hilt and even some on the horn part. Here are a couple of pictures of when it arrived with the paint and a couple more after a little cleaning. Sorry about the quality of mine as I had to take them inside with a flash. My main questions are, what is the correct name for this and where is it from??? My guess would be the Visayan but where exactly. All help will be greatly appreciated. Robert Attached Images

10th February 2011, 02:13 PM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	I think it's called a binangon, and looks like it's from Panay Island as said. But let's see what the Ilonggos have to say. There's a Visayan sword that just finished on eBay (c/o 'artotec') having a similar hilt (pics attached). Attached Images

10th February 2011, 02:19 PM	#5
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	There's also a Lumad sword posted a long time ago which hilt is similar. This Lumad sword's blade looks like a Visayan ginunting, however. Thus perhaps the sword originated from Panay, and was just dressed up later by the Lumad who got it. In summary, the unusual hilt (i.e., with bulging 'eyes' to its left and right) looks like it's really Visayan. Attached Images

10th February 2011, 04:30 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Thank you all for your help so far in trying to identify where this is from and what it is called. The reason I thinking tenegre was more because of the shape of the blade than anything else. Here is another that hasn't arrived yet that has a hilt that is similar in style but not exactly the same. The pictures are from the auction. At one time the scabbard on this one was covered in thin pieces of horn. Too bad it is now in such poor condition. The tip looks to be worn away instead of being broken. Robert Attached Images

10th February 2011, 11:34 PM	#7
Nirghosa Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 119	Was watching this one as well. Definitely a Tenegre I've seen this similar handle on a few different items. It's quite easy to make (if that means anything). Last edited by Nirghosa; 11th February 2011 at 12:05 AM.

10th February 2011, 03:09 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Well Visayans is correct. Might be Iloilo, but not sure. Some Visayans would call it a binagon, but if from Iloilo, then may be different. I'll wait for others to chime in (please?).

10th February 2011, 07:58 AM	#3
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Agreed. Definitely Ilo Ilo. Left-hander, too. Don't see those everyday. Far from rare, but still very very nice to see

10th February 2011, 11:52 PM	#8
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Nirghosa and thank you not only for your reply but also for not bidding. Now not trying to sound too dense, to which item are you referring the first or second ? Robert

11th February 2011, 12:34 AM	#10
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	The second one looks like a binangon to me as well

12th February 2011, 07:44 PM	#12
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	One of mine. Cant remember if I bought it from a member here or somewhere else online. Attached Images

12th February 2011, 08:25 PM	#13
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Detlef. Thank you very much for your kind words and for the link to your wonderful binangon. Yes it is a shame that the scabbard is missing on mine but one of these days if I cannot find an original one that it will fit properly I will carve one myself. Unfortunately I have many projects ahead of it. Dimasalang, I thank you also for the pictures of your wonderful binagon. If you would, could you post a picture that shows the complete scabbard of yours? The one that you have (except for the hilt being of wood) looks so much like mine that I believe a scabbard in the same style as yours might also be appropriate for mine. What are your thoughts on this? Again my thanks to everyone for their help. Robert

14th February 2011, 01:40 AM	#14
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Hi Robert, My first PI piece was a bolo like yours that I found at a yard sale. It's the 2nd piece from the top in the photo. In my first post here on the old forum, I was told it was from Iloilo on Panay, in the Visayas. The knob hilt with the long ferrule seems to be common in that area. It's still one of my favorite types of bolo. Steve

15th February 2011, 07:21 PM	#16
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Steve, Great pieces. So this is the infamous piece that got it all started for you. Very nice. Thank you for posting the picture. Dimasalang, Thank you for posting the picture and for the link. I hope that some day I will be able to find one of these long skinny pinuti/tenegre ??? Thank you all again for your help. Robert

17th February 2011, 05:39 AM	#17
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Here are a couple of pictures of the second binangon after a "believe it or not" very light cleaning. The hilt has been polished by years of use to this smooth finish that was brought out by only a little soap and water and a coat of ren wax polished with a soft cloth. Attached Images