very small "keris"

sjors · 29th August 2008, 06:37 PM

In 1992 I was a few weeks for business in Menteng, Jakarta and stayed there at the house of an older couple. I talked regularly with the older man, among other things, about kerissen. On the eve of my departure, he offered me a very small keris as a present and told me that the sheat, mendak and ukiran were contemporary but the keris itself was older.
Back home I showed it to friend jeweller who confirmed that the gold on it was really gold. As far as I can see it's a "real" pamor (nothing artificial about it).
My questions are: is this realy a keris or is it a kerislike object made for tourists, does it's size look familiar to you, to put it simple: what are we talking about?

Rick · 29th August 2008, 07:37 PM

A Patrem ?

sjors · 29th August 2008, 08:27 PM

Hello Rick,

A Patrem? I thougt about that possibility but I had the impression (please correct me if I'm wrong) that most Patrem are more a kind of "shorter" version of a "normal" keris. This keris has half the length and half the width and thickness of a "standard" keris...

Henk · 29th August 2008, 09:11 PM

Yes Rick, a Patrem. Dress is new made but a lovely keris with a nice singa. Very well executed in my opinion.

tunggulametung · 29th August 2008, 10:26 PM

Hello Sjors,
My impression from the given picture, I think it is a gift keris. I believe older doesn't always mean old and it is more difficult to find artificial pamor than the real one, but there are range of quality on pamor work.
Thanks

29th August 2008, 06:37 PM	#1
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	very small "keris" In 1992 I was a few weeks for business in Menteng, Jakarta and stayed there at the house of an older couple. I talked regularly with the older man, among other things, about kerissen. On the eve of my departure, he offered me a very small keris as a present and told me that the sheat, mendak and ukiran were contemporary but the keris itself was older. Back home I showed it to friend jeweller who confirmed that the gold on it was really gold. As far as I can see it's a "real" pamor (nothing artificial about it). My questions are: is this realy a keris or is it a kerislike object made for tourists, does it's size look familiar to you, to put it simple: what are we talking about? Attached Images

29th August 2008, 07:37 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	A Patrem ?

29th August 2008, 08:27 PM	#3
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	Hello Rick, A Patrem? I thougt about that possibility but I had the impression (please correct me if I'm wrong) that most Patrem are more a kind of "shorter" version of a "normal" keris. This keris has half the length and half the width and thickness of a "standard" keris...

29th August 2008, 09:11 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Yes Rick, a Patrem. Dress is new made but a lovely keris with a nice singa. Very well executed in my opinion.

29th August 2008, 10:26 PM	#5
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Hello Sjors, My impression from the given picture, I think it is a gift keris. I believe older doesn't always mean old and it is more difficult to find artificial pamor than the real one, but there are range of quality on pamor work. Thanks