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Old 17th July 2019, 09:56 PM   #1
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It is very difficult to tell where the yatagan was produced.Therefore we take into account the style of workmanship.Without any hypothesis and fantasy ... the style of work is Greek!Here's an example some of my Ελληνική λεπίδες
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Old 25th July 2019, 04:25 AM   #2
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Sorry for the late reply. Been a hectic and stressful week, with a bunch of houseguests, and a dead pet.

Here are some additional photos people requested, including closeups of the brass rivets in the hilt, and another closeup of the maker's mark. I'll take a look at the maker's mark catalogue that was linked now to see if I can place it.
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Old 29th July 2019, 03:39 AM   #3
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It is not of course a definite answer but when you consider all the examples coming from Greek region of the Ottoman Empire this Yatagan is indeed Greek in origin. Of course the maker and owner was probably Ottoman Turkish.
The handle on the other hand is a obviously a more recent replacement to the lost silver niello handle. There is no discussion there. And the ha Dule is rather made just for practical purposes and looks hideous in my opinion but they probably just wanted to save the nice blade and keep using it. Or someone made ten handle so they can sell the blade because without a handle it’s usually worthless.
I am also surprised how all the respected and valued veteran members here easily get mad and argue for such a petty topic these swords were sold and traveled across continents along with genre owners initially and later with trades and auctions. I bought a Laz Yatagan from Australia imagine that ))
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Old 29th July 2019, 03:41 AM   #4
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By the way I have a very similar Yatagan which came from Serbia but it never crossed my mind to doubt that it wasn’t Greek origin. Serbian Yatahans along with Bulgarians are almost all walrus or horn handle.
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Old 8th May 2020, 09:23 PM   #5
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The maker's name in the mark is 'Mustafa'
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Old 29th July 2019, 08:59 AM   #6
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I am also surprised how all the respected and valued veteran members here easily get mad and argue for such a petty topic
If I'm in the lot, I'm definitively flattered!

I wasn't mad but let's say more disapointed because "the other member" is precisely a respected and valued veteran member...

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this Yatagan is indeed Greek in origin. Of course the maker and owner was probably Ottoman Turkish.
Perfect demonstration that this Greek origin is a nonsense.
Where is the Greek if the maker is Ottoman Turkish and the user / owner Ottoman Tukish??
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Old 30th July 2019, 06:07 AM   #7
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Perfect demonstration that this Greek origin is a nonsense.
Where is the Greek if the maker is Ottoman Turkish and the user / owner Ottoman Tukish??
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The Greek is in region where this Ottoman Turkish owned and used his Yataghan. I am from Bulgaria, so is many generations of family, however I am not Bulgarian but rather Turkish. One of the many hundreds of thousand of Turks who were left behind when Ottoman Empire lost Bulgaria. Same happened with Greece. Bulgaria have tons of Yataghans , I have yet to see one Owens by a Slavic name, they are all inscribed to be owned by Turkish names, so are the makers. Same is true for “most” Greek yatagans too.
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Old 30th November 2019, 12:06 AM   #8
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This probably comes too late, but all the marks posted here say “Mustafa”
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Old 30th November 2019, 03:20 AM   #9
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This probably comes too late, but all the marks posted here say “Mustafa”
Very nice Greek name...
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Old 19th June 2020, 01:54 PM   #10
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a few more pics from "Die österreichisch-ungarische Monarchie in Wort und Bild" - "Dalmatien", Band 11 Wien, k. k. Hof- und Staatsdruckerei., 1892
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Old 19th June 2020, 01:55 PM   #11
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some more pics by Henri Avelot et J. de La Nézičre - Monténégro, Bosnie, Herzégovine - Henri Laurens, Paris - no date (1894) - 248 pages
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