100th published album

VVV · 10th February 2007, 01:04 AM

Hi all,

Just posted the 100th album on my Keris, Kris and Indonesian small blades catalogue project.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...bum.php&page=1

No 100 is this "archaic" kris with twisted core.

Michael

Bill M · 10th February 2007, 01:12 AM

A fabulous kris for your 100th example of a superb collection!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Michael,

I am very pleased to see a collector of your stature focussing on these magnificent swords.

I am coordinating a group of collectors compiling information and pieces for a book about Moro swords and weapons that I may edit, photograph and publish.

One of our several focus points is the blade of the sword. Kinds of laminations, temper lines, talismanic designs and form of blade.

We would also want to bring in the history, art, culture, anthropology, political structure, languages and religion(s) -- as I do not think that a study of the weapons would be appropriate without these background factors.

This would be a collaborative effort with several established collectors who have expressed an interest in such a project from a standpoint of writing articles and contributing examples.

Though we are still very much in a preliminary stage, I would welcome your input. I greatly respect your knowledge and research abilities both to find and compile information as well as collecting incredible examples of these weapons.

I will explain more in private email.

Any other collectors are also welcome! PM me.

Warmest regards,
Bill Marsh

PBishop · 10th February 2007, 03:44 AM

Now THAT is fine and beautiful thing. Well done.

katana · 10th February 2007, 12:55 PM

FANTASTIC example

.....and your hundreth

VVV · 10th February 2007, 01:14 PM

Thanks all,

I just found another Keris here in Stockholm that I couldn't resist so now it´s 101.

Michael

Dajak · 10th February 2007, 07:28 PM

Hi Michael an very nice one that one from Stockholm and this one also .

Are you not working anymore that you have so much time to search ??

Ben

Battara · 10th February 2007, 07:43 PM

Beautiful piece - the pamor is superb! (I think I have a similar pamor on one of my older kris.

).

VVV · 10th February 2007, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Are you not working anymore that you have so much time to search ??

Ben

Hi Ben,

Actually the blades look me up by themeselves nowadays.
The Stockholm Kris phoned me up yesterday and asked if it could join the rest of the group.

Battara, please share some pictures of it with the rest of us.

Michael

kai · 10th February 2007, 10:38 PM

Congrats Michael,

That's an awesome kris! Gorgeous blade and also the pommel seems to be really neat...

It's the first one with worn through sogokan that I encountered. Speaks for its age and quality carvings, I guess. The blade tip is very interesting: Within the inlay final there is a kinda-rhomboidal depression right in front of where the twist core pattern stops - I wonder wether something (swaasa/silver plaque?) may have been attached here originally (it doesn't look like a delamination of the twist core which should be thicker anyway). I assume that this looks alike on both sides, doesn't it?

BTW, what's the link for #101? Please pass my phone number on to the groupies if you happen to get too many calls...

Regards,
Kai

VVV · 11th February 2007, 11:50 AM

Hi Kai,

I had a close look at the tip of the panel but I don't see any trace of other material. And it doesn't look the same at the reverse side?
But in case I misunderstood you I have attached two pictures of each side.

Kind regards,

Michael

LabanTayo · 12th February 2007, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

A fabulous kris for your 100th example of a superb collection!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Michael,

I am very pleased to see a collector of your stature focussing on these magnificent swords.

I am coordinating a group of collectors compiling information and pieces for a book about Moro swords and weapons that I may edit, photograph and publish.

One of our several focus points is the blade of the sword. Kinds of laminations, temper lines, talismanic designs and form of blade.

We would also want to bring in the history, art, culture, anthropology, political structure, languages and religion(s) -- as I do not think that a study of the weapons would be appropriate without these background factors.

This would be a collaborative effort with several established collectors who have expressed an interest in such a project from a standpoint of writing articles and contributing examples.

Though we are still very much in a preliminary stage, I would welcome your input. I greatly respect your knowledge and research abilities both to find and compile information as well as collecting incredible examples of these weapons.

I will explain more in private email.

Any other collectors are also welcome! PM me.

Warmest regards,
Bill Marsh

naga basuraki,

from your vast experience and knowledge, what can you tell me about this kris?
age, provenence, any other special features.

BSMStar · 12th February 2007, 08:09 PM

Where are you guys getting these magnificent Kris??????

After seeing these, my wife thought I was going through the change (what hot flashes)!

LabanTayo... that looks like an extremely old Kris...
maybe someday I will be lucky

Bill M · 12th February 2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabanTayo

naga basuraki,

from your vast experience and knowledge, what can you tell me about this kris?
age, provenence, any other special features.

Hi Shelly,

Suggest that you make a new post. We need to keep this thread focussed on VVV beautiful kris.

I will be happy to give you my limited opinion. You may know that I have been collecting this kind of kris less than a year.

You are very kind in your compliments, and coming from a collector of your stature, this is high praise, but I have neither vast experience, nor knowledge of kris.

My vast experience and knowledge, such as it is, is in investment real estate.

I can certainly give you better answers in this arena, but I do know a little about your piece. Suggest that you make a new post and lets continue this discussion there.

My very warmest regards,

Bill

LabanTayo · 12th February 2007, 08:57 PM

maybe the Moderators can start the thread for me.
i am very interested to read what you have to say about my kris.

thanks,

Bill M · 12th February 2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabanTayo

maybe the Moderators can start the thread for me.
i am very interested to read what you have to say about my kris.

thanks,

Thank you again. I will wait and see if "the Moderators can start a thread" for you.

But really think that we should keep this thread focussed on VVV. I am sure that you understand.

LabanTayo · 12th February 2007, 09:23 PM

Totally understand.
BTW, Nice kris Michael.

VVV · 12th February 2007, 10:24 PM

Thanks Shelley,

I like yours too. Seems to have at least one V...

Michael

Andrew · 12th February 2007, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabanTayo

maybe the Moderators can start the thread for me.
i am very interested to read what you have to say about my kris.

thanks,

If you really want to discuss your Kris, Shelley, feel free to start a new thread yourself. You don't need a mod's assistance to do so.

kai · 13th February 2007, 12:00 AM

Hello Michael,

Quote:

I had a close look at the tip of the panel but I don't see any trace of other material.

No, any metal added would have been long gone.

Quote:

And it doesn't look the same at the reverse side?

Yes, there is also the same patch with missing twist core but it's too irregular to be a special feature, I guess. Seems that I was on the wrong track.

Still, I do wonder how this happened - a forging flaw at such a prominent place seems weird but what is it supposed to be?

Regards,
Kai

LabanTayo · 13th February 2007, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

If you really want to discuss your Kris, Shelley, feel free to start a new thread yourself. You don't need a mod's assistance to do so.

andrew,
no need to start a new thread. bill has graciously answered my question via email.

Ferguson · 14th February 2007, 12:13 AM

Incredibly beautiful.
Steve

Lew · 14th February 2007, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferguson

Incredibly beautiful.
Steve

It's an OK kris

(Just kidding) Interesting I have only seen the twisted core on Chinese dao swords and some Moro kris do you think there is a connection between the two? Could this kris have been made my a Chinese smith or a Moro smith that might have picked up the technique from China?

Congrats,

Lew

Battara · 16th February 2007, 08:15 PM

VVV -
when I better etch the blade I may then post my similar kris.

Louis -
Other tribes have made twist core. Twist core seems to be on older Moro pieces than later ones. I have a Bagobo sword that has 2 rows of twist core "turkish ribbon" on it.

Rick · 16th February 2007, 09:48 PM

Here's a little 'twist'

VVV · 17th February 2007, 04:16 PM

Nice Rick!

It would be great to also see other examples as a reference?

Michael

Rick · 17th February 2007, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Nice Rick!

It would be great to also see other examples as a reference?

Michael

I agree Michael .

What's interesting about this one is that there are 4 twist bars incorporated; they join where the 'arrow point' is found on swords such as these and yet there is no sculpting or heavy etching done to bring these features out ....

A kind of 'stealth' construction with no showiness .

10th February 2007, 01:12 AM	#2
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	A fabulous kris for your 100th example of a superb collection! CONGRATULATIONS!!! Michael, I am very pleased to see a collector of your stature focussing on these magnificent swords. I am coordinating a group of collectors compiling information and pieces for a book about Moro swords and weapons that I may edit, photograph and publish. One of our several focus points is the blade of the sword. Kinds of laminations, temper lines, talismanic designs and form of blade. We would also want to bring in the history, art, culture, anthropology, political structure, languages and religion(s) -- as I do not think that a study of the weapons would be appropriate without these background factors. This would be a collaborative effort with several established collectors who have expressed an interest in such a project from a standpoint of writing articles and contributing examples. Though we are still very much in a preliminary stage, I would welcome your input. I greatly respect your knowledge and research abilities both to find and compile information as well as collecting incredible examples of these weapons. I will explain more in private email. Any other collectors are also welcome! PM me. Warmest regards, Bill Marsh Last edited by Bill Marsh; 10th February 2007 at 11:59 AM.

12th February 2007, 08:09 PM	#12
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Geezzze Where are you guys getting these magnificent Kris?????? After seeing these, my wife thought I was going through the change (what hot flashes)! LabanTayo... that looks like an extremely old Kris... maybe someday I will be lucky

16th February 2007, 09:48 PM	#24
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Here's a little 'twist' Attached Images

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10th February 2007, 01:04 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	100th published album Hi all, Just posted the 100th album on my Keris, Kris and Indonesian small blades catalogue project. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...bum.php&page=1 No 100 is this "archaic" kris with twisted core. Michael Attached Images

10th February 2007, 03:44 AM	#3
PBishop Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	Now THAT is fine and beautiful thing. Well done.

10th February 2007, 12:55 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	FANTASTIC example .....and your hundreth

10th February 2007, 01:14 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks all, I just found another Keris here in Stockholm that I couldn't resist so now it´s 101. Michael

10th February 2007, 07:28 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael an very nice one that one from Stockholm and this one also . Are you not working anymore that you have so much time to search ?? Ben

10th February 2007, 07:43 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Beautiful piece - the pamor is superb! (I think I have a similar pamor on one of my older kris. ).

10th February 2007, 10:38 PM	#9
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,215	Congrats Michael, That's an awesome kris! Gorgeous blade and also the pommel seems to be really neat... It's the first one with worn through sogokan that I encountered. Speaks for its age and quality carvings, I guess. The blade tip is very interesting: Within the inlay final there is a kinda-rhomboidal depression right in front of where the twist core pattern stops - I wonder wether something (swaasa/silver plaque?) may have been attached here originally (it doesn't look like a delamination of the twist core which should be thicker anyway). I assume that this looks alike on both sides, doesn't it? BTW, what's the link for #101? Please pass my phone number on to the groupies if you happen to get too many calls... Regards, Kai

11th February 2007, 11:50 AM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Kai, I had a close look at the tip of the panel but I don't see any trace of other material. And it doesn't look the same at the reverse side? But in case I misunderstood you I have attached two pictures of each side. Kind regards, Michael Attached Images

12th February 2007, 08:57 PM	#14
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	maybe the Moderators can start the thread for me. i am very interested to read what you have to say about my kris. thanks,

12th February 2007, 09:23 PM	#16
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Totally understand. BTW, Nice kris Michael.

12th February 2007, 10:24 PM	#17
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Shelley, I like yours too. Seems to have at least one V... Michael

14th February 2007, 12:13 AM	#21
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Incredibly beautiful. Steve

16th February 2007, 08:15 PM	#23
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	VVV - when I better etch the blade I may then post my similar kris. Louis - Other tribes have made twist core. Twist core seems to be on older Moro pieces than later ones. I have a Bagobo sword that has 2 rows of twist core "turkish ribbon" on it.

17th February 2007, 04:16 PM	#25
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Nice Rick! It would be great to also see other examples as a reference? Michael