Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

broadaxe · 26th February 2009, 10:01 PM

Kisak, I would like very much to see a pic of the original piece. The replica in the link is weird, to say the least: very plain hilt, blade looks somewhat japanese (!). I'm not suggesting it is a fantasy piece but we do have to see the original.

kisak · 27th February 2009, 03:13 AM

I'm afraid I haven't been able to track down any photographs of the original (wouldn't mind seeing them myself). As the link goes to a site maintained by the Historical Museum in Stockholm I doubt the sword is fabricated entirely, but of course it's not exactly a solid source either.

Gonzalo G · 8th March 2009, 06:15 AM

!Very interesting material! Thank you, Matchlock! You always bring good documental contributions.
Regards

Gonzalo

Matchlock · 8th March 2009, 02:09 PM

Thank you, Gonzalo,

Historic sources of illustration are the most important thing when it comes to research and dating of original pieces.

Michael

Matchlock · 11th March 2009, 04:58 PM

A very good Katzbalger, ca. 1500-10, retaining its original blackened hilt, the blade struck with a Gothic minuscule p mark, overall length 118 cm (!).

Provenance: Sotheby's London, June 20, 1929 (800 USD), bought by Wiliam Randolph Hearst and sold again Galerie Fischer, Lucerne, Switzerland, Nov 27, 1961, lot 33 (estimate 2,500 SFr; I do not know what it went for).

Michael

celtan · 12th March 2009, 03:52 AM

Is this P related to the one we often see in Swedish blades?

Manuel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

A very good Katzbalger, ca. 1500-10, retaining its original blackened hilt, the blade struck with a Gothic minuscule p mark, overall length 118 cm (!).

Provenance: Sotheby's London, June 20, 1929 (800 USD), bought by Wiliam Randolph Hearst and sold again Galerie Fischer, Lucerne, Switzerland, Nov 27, 1961, lot 33 (estimate 2,500 SFr; I do not know what it went for).

Michael

Matchlock · 12th March 2009, 04:31 PM

Could you please post an example of the Swedish P, Manuel, and give a date for the blade(s)?

Michael

11th March 2009, 04:58 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A very good Katzbalger, ca. 1500-10, retaining its original blackened hilt, the blade struck with a Gothic minuscule p mark, overall length 118 cm (!). Provenance: Sotheby's London, June 20, 1929 (800 USD), bought by Wiliam Randolph Hearst and sold again Galerie Fischer, Lucerne, Switzerland, Nov 27, 1961, lot 33 (estimate 2,500 SFr; I do not know what it went for). Michael Attached Images

26th February 2009, 10:01 PM	#1
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	Kisak, I would like very much to see a pic of the original piece. The replica in the link is weird, to say the least: very plain hilt, blade looks somewhat japanese (!). I'm not suggesting it is a fantasy piece but we do have to see the original.

27th February 2009, 03:13 AM	#2
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	I'm afraid I haven't been able to track down any photographs of the original (wouldn't mind seeing them myself). As the link goes to a site maintained by the Historical Museum in Stockholm I doubt the sword is fabricated entirely, but of course it's not exactly a solid source either.

8th March 2009, 06:15 AM	#3
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	!Very interesting material! Thank you, Matchlock! You always bring good documental contributions. Regards Gonzalo

8th March 2009, 02:09 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you, Gonzalo, Historic sources of illustration are the most important thing when it comes to research and dating of original pieces. Michael

12th March 2009, 04:31 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Could you please post an example of the Swedish P, Manuel, and give a date for the blade(s)? Michael