Keris Madura with Thai influences

kai · 11th June 2015, 08:34 AM

Hello Max,

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When I compare the scabbord with those of Indonesia, it looked different

What exactly did you compare it with?

To me this looks like a fairly typical example of a scabbard with crescent crosspiece. Quite commonly seen throughout Sumatra, the Straits area, and the Malay peninsula.

Since wood doesn't last terribly long in a tropical climate, this may have been a local replacement (looks old and good quality wood); or it may have been an attempt to acculturate an imported keris to local tastes.

Regards,
Kai

maxbliss888 · 11th June 2015, 09:25 AM

Thanks!

I am thinking of getting this and just wanted to make sure that the Keris with the Madura hilt fits with the Cerita blade are all correct..

Gustav · 11th June 2015, 11:18 AM

Of course there are a lot of older Keris with parts from different locations, and even more newer "marriages".

If you go for the blade (which is a peninsular one) - even if its fit with the sheath is ok, it is quite worn, Greneng completely disappeared, Wadidang disturbed. You surely would come across a better Cherita blade someday.

A. G. Maisey · 16th June 2015, 09:03 AM

Hilt Madura, maybe blade too.

maxbliss888 · 31st October 2015, 06:04 PM

maxbliss888 · 31st October 2015, 06:07 PM

Keris....

maxbliss888 · 31st October 2015, 06:39 PM

Keris....
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David · 1st November 2015, 10:29 PM

Hi Max...i am afraid that there is nothing Thai about that hilt. Again i believe we are looking at a hilt from Madura, or possibly Northern Jawa. The pendokok at the base of this hilt i am not as certain about, but it is a mismatch with this particular hilt for sure and doesn't fit either by sizing or style.
I cannot comment on the blade since you have not posted a photo of it. I have seen variations of this scabbard form used with keris from both Sumatra and the Peninsula. Is there some reasoning you are using to identify this keris a Thai that you can share for a better understanding of what you are talking about?

11th June 2015, 09:25 AM	#2
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Thanks! I am thinking of getting this and just wanted to make sure that the Keris with the Madura hilt fits with the Cerita blade are all correct..

31st October 2015, 06:04 PM	#5
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Keris.... Attached Images

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maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Keris Keris.... Thailand

11th June 2015, 11:18 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,202	Of course there are a lot of older Keris with parts from different locations, and even more newer "marriages". If you go for the blade (which is a peninsular one) - even if its fit with the sheath is ok, it is quite worn, Greneng completely disappeared, Wadidang disturbed. You surely would come across a better Cherita blade someday.

16th June 2015, 09:03 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,736	Hilt Madura, maybe blade too.

1st November 2015, 10:29 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,047	Hi Max...i am afraid that there is nothing Thai about that hilt. Again i believe we are looking at a hilt from Madura, or possibly Northern Jawa. The pendokok at the base of this hilt i am not as certain about, but it is a mismatch with this particular hilt for sure and doesn't fit either by sizing or style. I cannot comment on the blade since you have not posted a photo of it. I have seen variations of this scabbard form used with keris from both Sumatra and the Peninsula. Is there some reasoning you are using to identify this keris a Thai that you can share for a better understanding of what you are talking about?