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Old 5th October 2020, 06:05 PM   #1
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Default another old ( I hope ! ) shield ! Ottoman piece ??

Hello everybody,

for this one I couldn't resist, ( always loved old stuff !)
and I already have it in my hands !

Looks like a mix between an old ottoman kalkan shield
( iron pieces and the handle ) and an indian dhal !

Maybe another ethnic origin ?

It's made of thick leather ( which animal ?) and pieces of iron.

18th-19th century ? or earlier ? or just looks like old ?

Anybody has an idea about the leather origin ?

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Old 5th October 2020, 06:07 PM   #2
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other pictures...

glad if somebody give me advice about cleaning/restore it
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Old 5th October 2020, 07:15 PM   #3
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this one not bad for see the convex form and the iron mounts...
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Old 5th October 2020, 07:53 PM   #4
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Hi

mmmmm I would say a mix between a dhal shield and an Indian shield

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Old 5th October 2020, 10:42 PM   #5
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Afghanistan?
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Old 6th October 2020, 02:32 PM   #6
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Hello,

Thank you for your message !

yes it looks like an indian dhal with his four bosses but I haven't seen one with this kind of central shape and the lateral iron '' stenghtening'' that make me think of other origin with this kind of central cross...

It's not a later ad, I put a ''close'' picture, it was made first, before the bosses have been fixed.

For the moment, I cleaned it with baking soda and special stuff against parasites / pests ( it was reeally necessary ! )
then a little oil on because the leather was cracked in many parts.

Change the color, not that bad,
we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back )
maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter...

What do you think about all ? age, origin clenaing it more ?...

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Old 6th October 2020, 05:27 PM   #7
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we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back )
maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter...


is translucence in Dahl leather an indication of Rhino hide?

I will put up a pic of my "New" dahl this week
There seems to be a lot on shields at moment, interesting topic I would love to get a Zulu one, I am sure it will happen sometime!!

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Old 6th October 2020, 07:15 PM   #8
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Hello ,
yes it ''usually'' will work , if the leather is thick enough and still translucent.

Just one more criteria, somebody can tell you that if you put a lightened torch behind your ear it will turn red too and we are not rhino's ...
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Old 6th October 2020, 09:32 PM   #9
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It has nothing in common with Ottoman materials, form
or construction. It is either N.Indian or Afghan, vers 1820-50
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Old 6th October 2020, 11:06 PM   #10
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I would not rule out a tribal piece from the Caucuses. The Kev-Sur for example used iron bound hide bucklers, though theirs usually with a central boss.
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Old 7th October 2020, 02:47 PM   #11
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Hello,

thank you for your comments !

North india and Afghanistan make me think of Balochistan and their shields.
I found this leather shield with the metal side but it's less raw than ''mine'' with his all iron structure...


The Khevsur people and their armor are really interesting,
I saw their small iron raw round dhal looking shield that made me think too that
''mine'' could come from some( where(?) ) in central Asia...

Another point: the leather; it seems all made of small hair-wool more than skin cells...
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Old 7th October 2020, 05:35 PM   #12
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Seller told me hippo for the leather and indo persian origin...
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