Bern 1804 Cantonal Ordnance musket

Pukka Bundook · 8th January 2020, 10:35 PM

Patrick,

I Have Not seen this one before, so thanks for the photos!
What you have, I would have said I feel for certain, is the Charleville musket, model 1766-68.
But, as the experts say otherwise I defer!
This model I mentioned above has the extended tail to the nosecap that tucks into the middle band.
I do not know if this model had the rather forward looking and novel screws that also acted as pins for trigger and guard, Or if these were a later innovation.
I should look for photos of the off side.
The shield obliterated could mean it passing from service to another area, but I do not know.

Richard.
PS,
Can you post a photo of the lock, mortise, and lock work?

corrado26 · 9th January 2020, 08:58 AM

Here are fotos of the same gun after the conversion to percussion, infantry gun Bern 1804UM. The long frontring, the side plate and the two screws for the trigger and the trigger guard are clearly to be seen.
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Pukka Bundook · 9th January 2020, 11:52 AM

Thank you Corrado!

This is a brilliant example and the screws you show are what we needed to see. Thank you for the photos.

Best,
R.

fernando · 9th January 2020, 02:56 PM

Surely the Charleville was the muse for this version. The real thing would have a few DNA signs like the stamp on the stock, the model and year on the barrel, the manufacture on the lockplate, inspector marks and all... and certainly not those unusual screws

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Some times when i have doubts about French guns i check in HERE and HERE.

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SchildaBrit · 9th January 2020, 05:15 PM

"Here are fotos of the same gun after the conversion to percussion, infantry gun Bern 1804UM."

SUPER Corrado! Many, many thanks.
Patrick

8th January 2020, 10:35 PM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Patrick, I Have Not seen this one before, so thanks for the photos! What you have, I would have said I feel for certain, is the Charleville musket, model 1766-68. But, as the experts say otherwise I defer! This model I mentioned above has the extended tail to the nosecap that tucks into the middle band. I do not know if this model had the rather forward looking and novel screws that also acted as pins for trigger and guard, Or if these were a later innovation. I should look for photos of the off side. The shield obliterated could mean it passing from service to another area, but I do not know. Richard. PS, Can you post a photo of the lock, mortise, and lock work? Last edited by Pukka Bundook; 8th January 2020 at 10:48 PM.

9th January 2020, 08:58 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	Here are fotos of the same gun after the conversion to percussion, infantry gun Bern 1804UM. The long frontring, the side plate and the two screws for the trigger and the trigger guard are clearly to be seen. corrado26 a Attached Images

9th January 2020, 02:56 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Surely the Charleville was the muse for this version. The real thing would have a few DNA signs like the stamp on the stock, the model and year on the barrel, the manufacture on the lockplate, inspector marks and all... and certainly not those unusual screws . Some times when i have doubts about French guns i check in HERE and HERE. . Attached Images

9th January 2020, 05:15 PM	#5
SchildaBrit Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 33	Bern 1804 conversion "Here are fotos of the same gun after the conversion to percussion, infantry gun Bern 1804UM." SUPER Corrado! Many, many thanks. Patrick

9th January 2020, 11:52 AM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Thank you Corrado! This is a brilliant example and the screws you show are what we needed to see. Thank you for the photos. Best, R.