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Old 3rd September 2024, 09:23 AM   #1
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Default Keris or not?

Seems lost many elements in upper area.
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Old 3rd September 2024, 12:38 PM   #2
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Yes.

Cengkrong luk lima.
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Old 4th September 2024, 03:15 AM   #3
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So Alan, this is normal for this type of keris? No ganga I noticed.
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Old 4th September 2024, 02:11 PM   #4
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Yes, form is correct, but sometimes they will have a gonjo, sometimes the gonjo might be iras, ie, just marked on the blade, not fitted separately.

The ones with no gonjo have sometimes had a gonjo fitted & it has been lost, other times they appear to have never had a gonjo.
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Old 4th September 2024, 02:14 PM   #5
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they seem to exist with and without a Ganja.
The dress and hilt are Madurese and I think that, once cleaned and stained, the blade may, possibly, show as being pamor adeg rambut
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Yes, form is correct, but sometimes they will have a gonjo, sometimes the gonjo might be iras, ie, just marked on the blade, not fitted separately.

The ones with no gonjo have sometimes had a gonjo fitted & it has been lost, other times they appear to have never had a gonjo.
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they seem to exist with and without a Ganja.
The dress and hilt are Madurese and I think that, once cleaned and stained, the blade may, possibly, show as being pamor adeg rambut
Thank you for your knowledge!
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Old 11th September 2024, 09:23 AM   #7
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Yes, form is correct, but sometimes they will have a gonjo, sometimes the gonjo might be iras, ie, just marked on the blade, not fitted separately.

The ones with no gonjo have sometimes had a gonjo fitted & it has been lost, other times they appear to have never had a gonjo.
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they seem to exist with and without a Ganja.
The dress and hilt are Madurese and I think that, once cleaned and stained, the blade may, possibly, show as being pamor adeg rambut
Hello, my learned friends, is this one of the same type?
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Old 11th September 2024, 10:43 AM   #8
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In my opinion, though not as experienced as others, the kris you show is South Sumatran Kris .
I have never seen that particular dhapur featured here (but others with more experience may be familiar with them)

The " ganja" appears to be not really separated from the blade with a " symbolic" separation

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Old 12th September 2024, 07:28 PM   #9
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To answer your question Hugh, i would say no, this last keris you show is not Cengkrong. It clearly has a gandik (Cengkrong do not) and the keris is gonjo iras, meaning that the blade is all one piece without a separate gonjo, though it does have an incised line to mark out a gonjo area.

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I look at this and can't help but wonder if it started life as ganjo iras or is this its second incarnation?
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I look at this and can't help but wonder if it started life as ganjo iras or is this its second incarnation?
Yes, it started it's life as gonjo iras!
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Old 14th September 2024, 11:03 PM   #12
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I look at this and can't help but wonder if it started life as ganjo iras or is this its second incarnation?
You should be more specific about which keris you are referring to.
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Yes.

Cengkrong luk lima.
Hello, Alan ,can you illustrate to us what is Cengkrong luk lima?
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Old 28th September 2024, 04:33 AM   #14
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The waves in the blade of a keris are called "luk".

"Lima" is the number 5.

"Luk Lima" is "five wave".

The present method of wave count is to begin on the first wave above the gandhik and the first wave on the other side of the blade is wave 2.

We continue towards the point and finish the count on the same side of the blade that we began on, often there is no wave at that point, it is often a nominal wave only.

The number of waves is always uneven, except in extremely rare cases.
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The waves in the blade of a keris are called "luk".

"Lima" is the number 5.

"Luk Lima" is "five wave".

The present method of wave count is to begin on the first wave above the gandhik and the first wave on the other side of the blade is wave 2.

We continue towards the point and finish the count on the same side of the blade that we began on, often there is no wave at that point, it is often a nominal wave only.

The number of waves is always uneven, except in extremely rare cases.
Why does five wave keris sometimes doesn't need gonjo?
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I don't think it is a prerogative of a 5 luk kris being Ganja Iras. Any kris straight or with luk may or may not be created without a Ganja.

here there is a thread with some info on this

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=Gonjo+Iras
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