Egypt from Le Louvre

Luc LEFEBVRE · 4th May 2009, 06:15 PM

A pic of egyptian weapons at Le Louvre in Paris.
Luc

Jim McDougall · 4th May 2009, 09:36 PM

Interesting. Any information? Observations? What did you think of these?

Lew · 4th May 2009, 09:58 PM

Jim

The daggers at the right remind me of my Sudanese arm daggers. Seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Jim McDougall · 5th May 2009, 02:18 AM

Right on Lew! It really is amazing the influence that these early weapons carried into other African regions.
I am curious if perhaps there was any sort of identification or notes to go with the display, maybe these weapons may have had some sort of notes on period, where found etc.
It is a pretty picture though.

All the best,
Jim

fearn · 5th May 2009, 05:08 AM

Hi Louie,

Some shapes never go out of style.

F

Luc LEFEBVRE · 5th May 2009, 09:57 AM

Sorry, I had not the time to take more information.
Lew, it's true the daggers on the right are not far from The sudanese we know, but the 3 on the left... I've never see such handles on contemporary african knives.
Luc

colin henshaw · 5th May 2009, 10:32 AM

Hi

Most interesting....great pieces.

The three on the left - isn't that form also to be found in weapons from ancient Persia (Luristan) ?

Regards

Jim McDougall · 5th May 2009, 02:12 PM

Hi Luc,
Thank you for the closeup, and that really helps. These seem remarkably preserved, and I am presuming they are from tomb sites. I was just wondering if perhaps any information was available from the caption plates above the items.

The comments that Lew added on the three to the right noting the similarities to Sudanese armd daggers, and now Colin's astute note of possible associations of the three at left with Luristan, are exactly the kind of observations I was looking for.

We can learn so much from these ancient weapons in studying the development of ethnographic forms, not only in Africa, but in many other cultures as well. In many discussions here we have compared the same type similarities to weapons forms literally carved in stone in ancient times in India and Indonesia in the temple artwork.

Thank you again for sharing the wonderful photos. I'm sure I am not alone in wishing I could visit the Louvre as well..

All best regards,
Jim

Lew · 5th May 2009, 05:15 PM

Here are some Sudanese variations.

Jim McDougall · 5th May 2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Here are some Sudanese variations.

WOW! Lew,
Now thats what I call making a point!!!!

Absolutely beautiful grouping.

All the best,
Jim

Tim Simmons · 5th May 2009, 05:26 PM

They remind me more of those Philippine whats the name Mandya daggers.

colin henshaw · 5th May 2009, 05:40 PM

Great collection !

4th May 2009, 06:15 PM	#1
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	Egypt from Le Louvre A pic of egyptian weapons at Le Louvre in Paris. Luc Attached Images

5th May 2009, 09:57 AM	#6
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	Sorry, I had not the time to take more information. Lew, it's true the daggers on the right are not far from The sudanese we know, but the 3 on the left... I've never see such handles on contemporary african knives. Luc Attached Images

5th May 2009, 05:15 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here are some Sudanese variations. Attached Images

4th May 2009, 09:36 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	Interesting. Any information? Observations? What did you think of these?

4th May 2009, 09:58 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jim The daggers at the right remind me of my Sudanese arm daggers. Seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

5th May 2009, 02:18 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	Right on Lew! It really is amazing the influence that these early weapons carried into other African regions. I am curious if perhaps there was any sort of identification or notes to go with the display, maybe these weapons may have had some sort of notes on period, where found etc. It is a pretty picture though. All the best, Jim

5th May 2009, 05:08 AM	#5
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Louie, Some shapes never go out of style. F

5th May 2009, 10:32 AM	#7
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Hi Most interesting....great pieces. The three on the left - isn't that form also to be found in weapons from ancient Persia (Luristan) ? Regards

5th May 2009, 02:12 PM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	Hi Luc, Thank you for the closeup, and that really helps. These seem remarkably preserved, and I am presuming they are from tomb sites. I was just wondering if perhaps any information was available from the caption plates above the items. The comments that Lew added on the three to the right noting the similarities to Sudanese armd daggers, and now Colin's astute note of possible associations of the three at left with Luristan, are exactly the kind of observations I was looking for. We can learn so much from these ancient weapons in studying the development of ethnographic forms, not only in Africa, but in many other cultures as well. In many discussions here we have compared the same type similarities to weapons forms literally carved in stone in ancient times in India and Indonesia in the temple artwork. Thank you again for sharing the wonderful photos. I'm sure I am not alone in wishing I could visit the Louvre as well.. All best regards, Jim

5th May 2009, 05:26 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,736	They remind me more of those Philippine whats the name Mandya daggers.

5th May 2009, 05:40 PM	#12
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Great collection !