British service in India sword ?

rand · 6th November 2008, 11:45 PM

Believe this is a British general officer sword, pattern 1822 for serice in India. Can anyone elaborate on it?

thanks,

rand

Jim McDougall · 7th November 2008, 06:40 AM

Especially nice example Rand! This is indeed the pattern 1822 (known as the 'gothic hilt' ) with the cartouche enclosing Queen Victoria's royal cypher with the added 'I' for India. She was proclaimed Empress of India May 1,1876 so this hilt post dates that event, and was used until 1890's (the pattern 1895 supplanted this form hilt).
If we could get a close up of the six point star surrounding the brass proof disc we might get an idea of the outfitter, or if there are markings in the etched motif.
Weapons from the British Raj are extremely desirable, representing this colorful military heritage in India, and these officers swords with the VRI cartouche have always seemed rather rare in coming up for sale.

All the best,
Jim

kahnjar1 · 7th November 2008, 07:03 AM

I may be wrong but I believe the Star of David surrounding the proof was used by Wilkinson.
Stu

rand · 7th November 2008, 12:52 PM

Hey Guys,

Thanks for your information. Hee is a photo of the mark, It says "Proved T."

Was interesting about the added "I" for India.....

rand

rand · 7th November 2008, 03:59 PM

Have been advised that this sword may be a copy and to check the discriminating general site which I have, the decoraion on the spine of the hilt is different. Not sure if hey make more than one copy or not. This sword has been hanging on the wall at my brothers house for over thirty years...

Would like your thoughts on if this may be a copy or not.

I do appreciate all opinions.....

rand

rand · 7th November 2008, 04:24 PM

Picture of copy made by "Discriminating General.....

6th November 2008, 11:45 PM	#1
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	British service in India sword ? Believe this is a British general officer sword, pattern 1822 for serice in India. Can anyone elaborate on it? thanks, rand Attached Images

7th November 2008, 12:52 PM	#4
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Hey Guys, Thanks for your information. Hee is a photo of the mark, It says "Proved T." Was interesting about the added "I" for India..... rand Attached Images

7th November 2008, 03:59 PM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Have been advised that this sword may be a copy and to check the discriminating general site which I have, the decoraion on the spine of the hilt is different. Not sure if hey make more than one copy or not. This sword has been hanging on the wall at my brothers house for over thirty years... Would like your thoughts on if this may be a copy or not. I do appreciate all opinions..... rand Attached Images Last edited by rand; 7th November 2008 at 04:53 PM.

7th November 2008, 04:24 PM	#6
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Picture of copy made by "Discriminating General..... Attached Images

7th November 2008, 06:40 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	Especially nice example Rand! This is indeed the pattern 1822 (known as the 'gothic hilt' ) with the cartouche enclosing Queen Victoria's royal cypher with the added 'I' for India. She was proclaimed Empress of India May 1,1876 so this hilt post dates that event, and was used until 1890's (the pattern 1895 supplanted this form hilt). If we could get a close up of the six point star surrounding the brass proof disc we might get an idea of the outfitter, or if there are markings in the etched motif. Weapons from the British Raj are extremely desirable, representing this colorful military heritage in India, and these officers swords with the VRI cartouche have always seemed rather rare in coming up for sale. All the best, Jim

7th November 2008, 07:03 AM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,729	I may be wrong but I believe the Star of David surrounding the proof was used by Wilkinson. Stu