Piso Halasan?

Emanuel · 30th October 2006, 12:09 AM

Hello,

I've just won the bid for this http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
advertised as a "batak sword".
To me it looks lika a piso halasan http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2322 (courtesy of Oriental-Arms) a weapon that has been discussed here before. I am a bit worried by the hair/buffalo tail at the tip of the scabbard, but it looks authentic enough.

Are these prone to forgery and the tourist industry yet or are they still relatively safe from modern mutilators?
I rather like the looks of these...this one is 18"-20" as I recall the original description, so a 13"-14" blade?
Comments would be most appreciated.
Emanuel

Emanuel · 30th October 2006, 05:08 PM

no comments?

Battara · 30th October 2006, 06:46 PM

I do think it is Batak. I would not worry about the buffalo hair. Many weapons in the area have hair attached (buffalo, pig, goat, human, etc). Looks authentic enough.

Dajak · 31st October 2006, 05:05 AM

Hi this one look like an tourist piece I have seen a lot off these piece s like these in Kuta and Sanur In Bali .

Real pieces That I have seen for sale price mostly something like at least 2000.00 euro .

Some pieces are so difficult to see if they are real that if you like to buy one
see better some Batak collectors and take the sword with you.

The hair you see mostly at some spears Or ritual staffs

Regards , Ben

Battara · 31st October 2006, 06:12 PM

thanks Dajak. Not seen a tourist piece before. Are these pictures from Sothebys and if so, which one?

Emanuel · 31st October 2006, 06:51 PM

Thanks for the answer Ben,
I'm anxious to receive it and have a good look at it, but in your experience, how are the blades on these tourist examples? Is the steel/metal descent or generally of poor quality?
The examples in the catalogue all seem of very high quality - or at least use expensive materials. Any pictures of simpler, common variety?

I'll certainly keep your advice in mind for future purchases.
Regards,
Emanuel

Dajak · 1st November 2006, 07:15 AM

Hi Battara these pics are from an german book called Mit den Ahnen leben
Batak that shows also new stuff that they make for tourist

VVV · 1st November 2006, 07:29 AM

Battara,

In case you don't speak German as fluent as Ben there is a translation in English.
Achim Sibeth, The Batak, Thames and Hudson 1991.

Michael

Dajak · 1st November 2006, 08:13 AM

Hi Michael is there also an english translation on the book HUVUDJÄGARNA

Ben

VVV · 1st November 2006, 09:42 AM

No,

But next time we meet I can translate the relevant parts for you

Still the pictures are great and they speak for themeselves.

Michael

Battara · 1st November 2006, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Battara,

In case you don't speak German as fluent as Ben there is a translation in English.
Achim Sibeth, The Batak, Thames and Hudson 1991.

Michael

Vielen Dank VVV,

Ich kann ein bischen Deutch lesen.

Dajak · 4th November 2006, 07:43 PM

Hi dass ist sehr schön viele wichtige bucher sind geschrieben in deutsch

grüss Ben

Bill M · 4th November 2006, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Battara,

In case you don't speak German as fluent as Ben there is a translation in English.
Achim Sibeth, The Batak, Thames and Hudson 1991.

Michael

Thanks, Michael. Just ordered a copy.

Dajak · 5th November 2006, 12:13 PM

There is an very important book about handle off Indonesia

but written in German Indonesische schwertgriffe bei W. Hein 1899
very important work on this subject

30th October 2006, 12:09 AM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Piso Halasan? Hello, I've just won the bid for this http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 advertised as a "batak sword". To me it looks lika a piso halasan http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2322 (courtesy of Oriental-Arms) a weapon that has been discussed here before. I am a bit worried by the hair/buffalo tail at the tip of the scabbard, but it looks authentic enough. Are these prone to forgery and the tourist industry yet or are they still relatively safe from modern mutilators? I rather like the looks of these...this one is 18"-20" as I recall the original description, so a 13"-14" blade? Comments would be most appreciated. Emanuel Attached Images

31st October 2006, 05:05 AM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi this one look like an tourist piece I have seen a lot off these piece s like these in Kuta and Sanur In Bali . Real pieces That I have seen for sale price mostly something like at least 2000.00 euro . Some pieces are so difficult to see if they are real that if you like to buy one see better some Batak collectors and take the sword with you. The hair you see mostly at some spears Or ritual staffs Regards , Ben Attached Images

30th October 2006, 05:08 PM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	no comments?

30th October 2006, 06:46 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I do think it is Batak. I would not worry about the buffalo hair. Many weapons in the area have hair attached (buffalo, pig, goat, human, etc). Looks authentic enough.

31st October 2006, 06:12 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	thanks Dajak. Not seen a tourist piece before. Are these pictures from Sothebys and if so, which one?

31st October 2006, 06:51 PM	#6
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Thanks for the answer Ben, I'm anxious to receive it and have a good look at it, but in your experience, how are the blades on these tourist examples? Is the steel/metal descent or generally of poor quality? The examples in the catalogue all seem of very high quality - or at least use expensive materials. Any pictures of simpler, common variety? I'll certainly keep your advice in mind for future purchases. Regards, Emanuel

1st November 2006, 07:15 AM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Battara these pics are from an german book called Mit den Ahnen leben Batak that shows also new stuff that they make for tourist

1st November 2006, 07:29 AM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Battara, In case you don't speak German as fluent as Ben there is a translation in English. Achim Sibeth, The Batak, Thames and Hudson 1991. Michael

1st November 2006, 08:13 AM	#9
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael is there also an english translation on the book HUVUDJÄGARNA Ben

1st November 2006, 09:42 AM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	No, But next time we meet I can translate the relevant parts for you Still the pictures are great and they speak for themeselves. Michael

4th November 2006, 07:43 PM	#12
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi dass ist sehr schön viele wichtige bucher sind geschrieben in deutsch grüss Ben

5th November 2006, 12:13 PM	#14
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	There is an very important book about handle off Indonesia but written in German Indonesische schwertgriffe bei W. Hein 1899 very important work on this subject