Which of these are truly old keris?

ridho pulungan · 16th June 2018, 01:45 PM

Hi Forum.
I really need your advice and comment. Which one of those keris with gandik Naga ornament is fake(not old keris)?
Thank you all
Regards.
Ridho Pulungan

David · 16th June 2018, 03:52 PM

As Rick suggested in another thread, we need better photgraphs.
Also, i would not use the word "fake" to describe newer keris unless they are being presented to you as antiques. Even then the intention of the maker probably was not to create a "fake".

ridho pulungan · 16th June 2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David

As Rick suggested in another thread, we need better photgraphs.
Also, i would not use the word "fake" to describe newer keris unless they are being presented to you as antiques. Even then the intention of the maker probably was not to create a "fake".

Owh ya..sorry for the picture David. I'll soon post more clear picture. Amd forgive me to use a word 'fake'. Is that any suggestion how to edit the titlle and my post?.if its a way to edit,i'll change it. Thank you so much for your attention.
Regards.

Bjorn · 16th June 2018, 07:03 PM

Instead of fake, may I suggest that you make your question more concrete, e.g. which of these keris are kemardikan? Or which of these keris are older than the 19th century?

David · 16th June 2018, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ridho pulungan

Owh ya..sorry for the picture David. I'll soon post more clear picture. Amd forgive me to use a word 'fake'. Is that any suggestion how to edit the titlle and my post?.if its a way to edit,i'll change it. Thank you so much for your attention.
Regards.

I changed the title for you Ridho.

ridho pulungan · 17th June 2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I changed the title for you Ridho.

Thank you so much for your help David.
I make a litlle change to the picture. I know its not perfect enough,but i hope the new pict can give Rick more clear about the keris. I really want to take another picture with new angle and lighting soon.
Thank you for your kind.

A. G. Maisey · 17th June 2018, 10:54 PM

Ridho, I'm not brave enough to jump in and declare that something in a picture on a screen is not old. By "old", I'm thinking in terms of pre-WWII.

But I will say this:- I have not seen, nor handled any keris that I knew to pre-date WWII that looked anything like any of these keris.

I began really looking at keris about 65 years ago, during that period I have handled literally thousands of keris, including many with genuine provenance that went back in some cases to pre-1700. No keris that I knew to pre-date WWII looked anything at all like any of these keris.

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16th June 2018, 03:52 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,023	As Rick suggested in another thread, we need better photgraphs. Also, i would not use the word "fake" to describe newer keris unless they are being presented to you as antiques. Even then the intention of the maker probably was not to create a "fake".

16th June 2018, 07:03 PM	#4
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	Instead of fake, may I suggest that you make your question more concrete, e.g. which of these keris are kemardikan? Or which of these keris are older than the 19th century?

17th June 2018, 10:54 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,697	Ridho, I'm not brave enough to jump in and declare that something in a picture on a screen is not old. By "old", I'm thinking in terms of pre-WWII. But I will say this:- I have not seen, nor handled any keris that I knew to pre-date WWII that looked anything like any of these keris. I began really looking at keris about 65 years ago, during that period I have handled literally thousands of keris, including many with genuine provenance that went back in some cases to pre-1700. No keris that I knew to pre-date WWII looked anything at all like any of these keris.