Saying HI and looking for some help ......

Jim McDougall · 23rd April 2014, 04:29 PM

https://www.google.com/search?source...&fromMainBar=1

David,
I had lost the original link unfortunately and thought by simply entering the data and name of the forum anyone could look it up on Google. I was apparently wrong as it is difficult to use the search on the forum without joining etc.
I have a new computer and my skills are pretty shallow as it is, so I regret not having saved the images or links. I guess I get a bit nervous on posting links and photos due to restrictions etc.
I found links to a site discussing Russian markings as well as the forum which I believe this example with the crescent like guard, which had the same guard and blade but the guard was ribbed like a cavalry sabre.

I also discovered that in the 1970s a small number of reproductions of the M1827 were made, and in more recent times others made as well, but these are all with the usual cast brass hilt.

I would note that on reproductions, there are as far as I have known, never been these kinds of markings or stamps associated with either manufacturing control, issuance and acceptance or sometimes unit designations. While seemingly insignificant and inconsistent, such as the rather bold 'Zlatoust' and others, these had distinct meanings for the many bureaucratic designations of units, and the many districts they were in .

I will keep trying to find the other image I had of the sword I mentioned.
Its really pretty amazing how much data can be found online!!! and Im working at entering the new world of technology

Its hard when you're old school and still using books and notes!

Jim McDougall · 23rd April 2014, 04:49 PM

Found it! The wood hilt is of course the M1862 Austro-Hungarian pioneer sword and the other is the one on the forum I noted. This was sold by 'Svet in 2007, and I found the thread by using 'Russian pioneer sword M1827 posted by Svet' (using Google).
He notes it is Russian in the text, but no reference further.

It would seem that the example we are discussing here is likely a combining of the original blade with this guard and an Austrian hilt.

David · 23rd April 2014, 05:00 PM

Good searching Jim. There is also this thread on Bladesmith Forum that presents an example with the same cross guard, but a somewhat different style hilt.
http://www.bladesmithsforum.com/inde...ord#entry61843

Jim McDougall · 23rd April 2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Good searching Jim. There is also this thread on Bladesmith Forum that presents an example with the same cross guard, but a somewhat different style hilt.
http://www.bladesmithsforum.com/inde...ord#entry61843

Thanks David, that's the one I was trying to show but I inadvertently posted the image of the standard M1827.
Wish we knew where this one came from but is a post from 2007 and the sword sold then.

David · 23rd April 2014, 07:56 PM

What is the blade length of these knives btw?

fernando · 23rd April 2014, 08:45 PM

Sorry fot being a bore, guys ...
Is this an ethno weapon ... or more probably a piece to discuss in the European section ?

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Not that its discussion will be more productive in there but ... you know, the benefit of the doubt

David · 24th April 2014, 12:55 AM

Fair point Nando…

23rd April 2014, 04:49 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,782	Found it! The wood hilt is of course the M1862 Austro-Hungarian pioneer sword and the other is the one on the forum I noted. This was sold by 'Svet in 2007, and I found the thread by using 'Russian pioneer sword M1827 posted by Svet' (using Google). He notes it is Russian in the text, but no reference further. It would seem that the example we are discussing here is likely a combining of the original blade with this guard and an Austrian hilt. Attached Images

23rd April 2014, 05:00 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,041	Good searching Jim. There is also this thread on Bladesmith Forum that presents an example with the same cross guard, but a somewhat different style hilt. http://www.bladesmithsforum.com/inde...ord#entry61843 Attached Images

23rd April 2014, 04:29 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,782	https://www.google.com/search?source...&fromMainBar=1 David, I had lost the original link unfortunately and thought by simply entering the data and name of the forum anyone could look it up on Google. I was apparently wrong as it is difficult to use the search on the forum without joining etc. I have a new computer and my skills are pretty shallow as it is, so I regret not having saved the images or links. I guess I get a bit nervous on posting links and photos due to restrictions etc. I found links to a site discussing Russian markings as well as the forum which I believe this example with the crescent like guard, which had the same guard and blade but the guard was ribbed like a cavalry sabre. I also discovered that in the 1970s a small number of reproductions of the M1827 were made, and in more recent times others made as well, but these are all with the usual cast brass hilt. I would note that on reproductions, there are as far as I have known, never been these kinds of markings or stamps associated with either manufacturing control, issuance and acceptance or sometimes unit designations. While seemingly insignificant and inconsistent, such as the rather bold 'Zlatoust' and others, these had distinct meanings for the many bureaucratic designations of units, and the many districts they were in . I will keep trying to find the other image I had of the sword I mentioned. Its really pretty amazing how much data can be found online!!! and Im working at entering the new world of technology Its hard when you're old school and still using books and notes!

23rd April 2014, 07:56 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,041	What is the blade length of these knives btw?

23rd April 2014, 08:45 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,645	Sorry fot being a bore, guys ... Is this an ethno weapon ... or more probably a piece to discuss in the European section ? . Not that its discussion will be more productive in there but ... you know, the benefit of the doubt

24th April 2014, 12:55 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,041	Fair point Nando…