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Old 25th May 2012, 03:27 AM   #1
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Default strange asian brass helmet what is it ?

Hi at all ,

I come across at this strange helmet and I m not able to understand what it is !??
cerimonial ?

it is in one piece brass with brass mounts and turquoise , coral decoration .

any help is appreciated. thank you
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Old 25th May 2012, 04:53 PM   #2
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Most likely Turkish but does not appear to be very old
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Old 25th May 2012, 05:38 PM   #3
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The fretted yellow metal, and the mix of coral and turquoise looks very Tibetan or Chinese to me. However a deep one piece skull is not typical of such...I suspect Chinese and of no great age. Having said that, I could always be wrong, and the Banner armies wore very archaic gear right into the 20thC.
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Old 25th May 2012, 05:46 PM   #4
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thank you for comment , the interior have a good patina but in my opinion not before of early XX Century , is much difficult becouse brass and bronze dont rust like iron ....

the total helmet is all brass .... I olso think turkish ...
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Old 25th May 2012, 09:06 PM   #5
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The Turks did use red coral and turquoise too...........
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Well out of my field BUT......that "rosette" below the large badge on the front of the helmet looks distinctly Japanese or perhaps Chinese to me.
A nice attractive piece by the way.
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Old 26th May 2012, 12:08 AM   #7
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if it's Turkish, then, this item is not recorded in no one collection !!
it seems to me more an accessory of theater or of cinema, than an old helmet
anyway, beautiful decorative element

it's only my point of view, I may be wrong, I'm not an expert, just an amateur

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Old 26th May 2012, 09:46 AM   #8
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thank you at all .... I dont think it theatrical or cinema , I most think it could be cerimonial or decorative becouse of brass and not iron . Of sure not much older olso if very nice and well made .
The form remember me olso russian or cental asian helmets very similar the turkish ... olso the central decoration ....
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thank you at all .... I dont think it theatrical or cinema , I most think it could be cerimonial or decorative becouse of brass and not iron . Of sure not much older olso if very nice and well made .
The form remember me olso russian or cental asian helmets very similar the turkish ... olso the central decoration ....


Russians generally stoped wearing this style of helmets sometime in late 17th century. It is a pretty archaic form but definetely something simmilar to what was popular in Russia during the renassance
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Old 31st May 2012, 02:36 PM   #10
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Well out of my field BUT......that "rosette" below the large badge on the front of the helmet looks distinctly Japanese or perhaps Chinese to me.
A nice attractive piece by the way.
Stu


The lower device on the front, does look to be a sixteen petal Chrysanthemum. The Imperial Japanese seal. If the other "Mums", all have sixteen petals. I would lean towards a Japanese connection. Possibly early 20th century ceremonial, from one of the Japanese Colonies? Manchukkuo (Manchuria) Formosa (Taiwan), or Chosen (Korea). It does have a Chinese, Tibetan look to it.

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Old 3rd June 2012, 05:50 AM   #11
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Russians generally stoped wearing this style of helmets sometime in late 17th century. It is a pretty archaic form but definetely something simmilar to what was popular in Russia during the renassance


There were no Russian helmets per se, imho. The styles of helmets they wore were Turkish-The select few extant examples of princely quality have Orthodox imagery.
Just my $.02
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Old 22nd July 2012, 06:37 AM   #12
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Not Taiwanese/Formosan, for sure.
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