Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 30th April 2015, 01:57 AM   #61
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,135
Default

My mistake and apologies for moving to the wrong forum.

Continue to discuss amongst yourselves.............
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th May 2015, 08:09 PM   #62
rickystl
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO area.
Posts: 1,621
Default

Hello all. Two more flasks I forgot to include the first time around. One is especially interesting.

1) Typical Indo-Persian, small priming flask most of us are familiar with. It looks iron in the photos, but is all brass and in working order. Needs a proper cleaning.
2) This is one of the most interesting priming flask that I own. And I've never seen another one like it. It appears to be Ottoman. And is "spring loaded". Hold your finger on top of the spout, hold upside down and press inward. Keeping your finger over the spout, release the spring tension, and the spout fills with a small amount of priming powder. And it works fine. There are two holes in the shaft to allow the powder to enter the spout. But there are also two very tiny holes in the shaft to eliminate a vacuum while operating.
Spring loaded flask were common in North America and Europe. But this is the first Ottoman style I've ever seen. Very neat.
Rick.
Attached Images
      
rickystl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th May 2015, 08:11 PM   #63
rickystl
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO area.
Posts: 1,621
Default

More pics........
Attached Images
     
rickystl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th May 2015, 08:22 PM   #64
rickystl
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO area.
Posts: 1,621
Default

And here are two new arrivals.
1) A typical Persian Barut Dan, medium size flask. All brass with the low grade silver/white metal embelishment. All solid and in working condition. Unfortunately, missing one of it's carrying rings.
2) This is a tiny priming flask from......I don't know where. But the engraving looks somewhat Moroccan (?) And I don't believe it's very old. But it's in perfect working order and will make a nice, more authentic addition to my Moroccan long gun while at the shooting range. LOL
Rick.
Attached Images
     
rickystl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th May 2015, 08:23 PM   #65
rickystl
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO area.
Posts: 1,621
Default

The other tiny one........
Attached Images
    
rickystl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th May 2015, 02:39 PM   #66
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kahnjar1
Could be either but there is a huge distance between the two places. Balutchistan (a part of Pakistan) borders modern day Iran which of course was called Persia......a VERY long way from Oman.
The fact that the pic shows mostly Omani objects does not CONCLUSIVELY mean that they are ALL Omani.
Stone's Glossary shows this general shape as being from Persia and another similar shape as being from Sudan, so perhaps the shape was a rather universal one in the greater region............
IBRAHIIM WE NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE
Stu
Salaams Khanjar1 ..Late reply... I missed this entire thread. Your point is good. Oman owned a small swathe of Baluchistan which it sold back to Pakistan in 1950. This was the area around Gwadur seaport. As part of the deal Oman was allowed to continue to recruit Baluch soldiers for Oman up until today...There is an entire tribe in Oman called al Baluch. They stretch all the way down the Baatinah coast and are numerous in Buraimi and Muscat.
The absolutely Omani powder flask is as you have in your collection with silver work throughout and on a chain and often attached to a leather strap and worn around the neck. The second type is a wooden one that you also show often with a silver chain and cover.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th May 2015, 03:25 AM   #67
VANDOO
(deceased)
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: OKLAHOMA, USA
Posts: 3,138
Smile

#1. VARIOUS 19TH CENTURY LEATHER POWDER FLASKS
#2. VARIOUS EASTERN POWDER FLASKS.
Attached Images
  
VANDOO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th May 2015, 03:48 AM   #68
kahnjar1
Member
 
kahnjar1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,728
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VANDOO
#1. VARIOUS 19TH CENTURY LEATHER POWDER FLASKS
#2. VARIOUS EASTERN POWDER FLASKS.
Hi Barry,
Not being "picky".....top pic......the two on the left of the pic are Powder Flasks, the others are shot flasks. All in nice condition by the look of them.
LOVE the Middle Eastern group in the second pic
Stu
kahnjar1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2015, 05:19 PM   #69
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

More Powder Flasks
Attached Images
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th June 2015, 05:34 PM   #70
rickystl
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO area.
Posts: 1,621
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VANDOO
#1. VARIOUS 19TH CENTURY LEATHER POWDER FLASKS
#2. VARIOUS EASTERN POWDER FLASKS.
Hi Vandoo.
WOW!! What a nice collection of powder/shot flasks. Very good!
Rick.
rickystl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2016, 08:01 PM   #71
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

What is this?
Attached Images
 
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2016, 11:20 AM   #72
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubur
What is this?

Salaams Kubur... This looks like Indian paintwork...Rajastan? on a camel skin gunpowder holder...said to be male the Camel organ..!
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2016, 11:40 AM   #73
corrado26
Member
 
corrado26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Black Forest, Germany
Posts: 1,164
Default

Here are a powderflask made in Brescia ca. 1600 and an oriental bulletcontainer from my collection
corrado26
Attached Images
      
corrado26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2016, 03:26 PM   #74
Kurt
Member
 
Kurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 195
Default Here are some from the Caucasus.

These small containers are for priming powder.
Best Kurt
Attached Images
 
Kurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th May 2016, 05:55 PM   #75
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Powder Flasks and Containers. The cartridge shaped items are Russian. The orange coloured teardrop flask with silver rectangles inside a black backround is Japanese Edo Period.
Attached Images
          

Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 30th May 2016 at 07:06 PM.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th June 2016, 11:10 AM   #76
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default Akali Sikh warriors

Here is a picture with the participants; A Sikh group wearing War Quoits on special head dress... Note one has a nice powder flask on his belt.
Attached Images
   
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th June 2016, 06:19 PM   #77
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

Hi Ibrahim,

Another one, from Yemen, I guess from Hadramawt...

Best,
Attached Images
  
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st June 2016, 05:32 PM   #78
Drabant1701
Member
 
Drabant1701's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Sweden
Posts: 181
Default

This is a 19th century Ottoman powder flask that I own. Its missing the top piece and there are som loss to the decoration. Despite the faults I really like this flask, someone put a lot of work and effort into making it.
Attached Images
   
Drabant1701 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st June 2016, 08:46 PM   #79
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

Look I have the little sister...
But your is much better... Congratulations!
Attached Images
 
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th August 2016, 07:37 AM   #80
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

Just for our database (not mine, just sold recently)
Primer flask, South Arabian, Yemen
Attached Images
  
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th October 2016, 07:20 PM   #81
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

I spotted a couple of interesting powder flasks; Two nice Central Asian flasks(Barutdan) with exotic surface style ...one with a birdshead and eye of Turquoise...I show two moon shaped (Talahiq) of Oman...and one interesting Gourd design(Barutluk) with Turkoman style decoration. The black barutdan with studs is Persian
Attached Images
      
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th October 2016, 07:37 PM   #82
kahnjar1
Member
 
kahnjar1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,728
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi
I spotted a couple of interesting powder flasks; Two nice Central Asian flasks(Barutdan) with exotic surface style ...one with a birdshead and eye of Turquoise...I show two moon shaped (Talahiq) of Oman...and one interesting Gourd design(Barutluk) with Turkoman style decoration. The black barutdan with studs is Persian
Nice group Ibrahiim.
The gourd I think now we all agree is in fact a Tobacco/Snuff flask, rather than for priming powder, though it could well do both jobs. See this link http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21994
Here are two more also included here for library purposes.
Stu
Attached Images
  
kahnjar1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th October 2016, 09:33 PM   #83
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,620
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kahnjar1
...The gourd I think now we all agree is in fact a Tobacco/Snuff flask, rather than for priming powder ...
Yes, i have been through such experience as well, with a local seller. I managed to returned them, though, as the deal was based on an actual powder flask basis .
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2016, 05:24 PM   #84
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kahnjar1
Nice group Ibrahiim.
The gourd I think now we all agree is in fact a Tobacco/Snuff flask, rather than for priming powder, though it could well do both jobs. See this link http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21994
Here are two more also included here for library purposes.
Stu

Yes I was aware of the detail outlined by Oliver Pinchot but I found this on Imperial Arms as a sold item as I recall... It has its own name Barutluk.(Barut being gun powder...)..and is decorated in Turkoman design so it is certainly Central Asian ... Imperial describe it as for gunpowder. Certainly the other smaller exotic designed items are well documented but I thought to include this Gourd for comments...

I was looking across Forum and at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21994 it quite nicely explains these as snuff boxes...which is a powder...thus easily confusable...though I wouldnt like to mix the two things up!!
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th May 2017, 06:26 PM   #85
Drabant1701
Member
 
Drabant1701's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Sweden
Posts: 181
Default

It has been some time since someone added to this interesting thread, so I am resurrecting it with another heart shaped turkish powder flask from my collection. It is most likely from around 1800 and made out of wood with brass decoration. The stopper is bone or horn.
Attached Images
   
Drabant1701 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th May 2017, 12:30 PM   #86
BANDOOK
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 624
Default

RARE NEW ZEALAND MAORI MUSKET WARS POWDER HORN IN MY COLLECTION,HAS PLUG MADE OF DEER ANTLER AND HAS SILVER AND OTHER SIDE WOODEN PLUG ,REGARDS RAJESH
Attached Images
       

Last edited by BANDOOK; 12th May 2017 at 11:30 AM.
BANDOOK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th May 2017, 12:40 PM   #87
BANDOOK
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 624
Default MOROCCON POWDER HORNS

HERE ARE 2 OF MY MOROCCON POWDER HORNS,CHEERS
Attached Images
  
BANDOOK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th May 2017, 02:10 PM   #88
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

The Omani Talahiq gunpowder flask worn in the correct position ...
Attached Images
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th May 2017, 02:39 PM   #89
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,620
Default Three in one ...

Hi guys,
Does this one fit in here ... a rather worn Portuguese rural hunting leather belt with its shot flask and powder horn.
I wouldn't doubt this set has seen a lot of 'action'.

.
Attached Images
   
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th May 2017, 04:08 PM   #90
corrado26
Member
 
corrado26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Black Forest, Germany
Posts: 1,164
Default

Here are two powder flask of my collection. The iron one was used for the priming powder, the bone one is rather hard for me to date and I 'd appriciate comments.
corrado26
Attached Images
          
corrado26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.