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Old 21st January 2023, 05:59 PM   #1
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23 - False Dmitry I - Tsar of Russia (1605-1606)
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Old 19th February 2023, 09:30 AM   #2
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Before Napoleon: the Early History of the Sabre in Europe - Russ Mitchell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QGc5MxbPbk or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs4hEGIN3qQ
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Old 21st February 2023, 08:15 AM   #3
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Nikola Zrisnki sabre mimics(continued from http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...8&postcount=38)

On second thought, not sure what to make of C. Found a bit more info on it here (http://keptar.uz.ua/html/kepoldal/index.phtml?id=40305). Personal opinion, the etching makes me think european blade, from the 1800s. Any input from others would be appreciated.
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From the decorative work entitled Magyar Műkincsek, published by Köre of Műbarátok: Krasznahorka Castle, the place where the treasures of the Counts Andrássy are kept. Saber of the XVI. century.
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Old 21st February 2023, 08:39 AM   #4
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Hungarian military historical memorabilia at the millennial national exhibition (Szendrei, János - 1896 - Magyar hadtörténelmi emlékek az ezredéves országos kiállitáson. Kereskedelmi M. Kir. Minister, Budapest).
http://keptar.uz.ua/kereses/keres_ce...?kulcsszo=kard
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24 - Sabre of Ferdinand I (born 10 March 1503 – died 25 July 1564) was:
- Archduke of Austria from 1521
- King of Bohemia, Hungary and Croatia from 1526-1564,
- Holy Roman Emperor from 1556-1564

https://www.museumap.hu/record/-/rec...ted-bib5847482

The folowing is adapted from "TANULMÁNYOK ZRÍNYI - SZABLYÁK by KOVÁCS S. TIBOR − NÉGYESI LAJOS − PADÁNYI JÓZSEF
https://docplayer.hu/222752167-Tanul...-szablyak.html
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The replacement of the Turkish, acorn-shaped grip cap with a flat, crested cap is a Hungarian peculiarity. An illustrative example of this is the decorative saber in the Turkish style - made in 1514 - which also comes from the former collection of Archduke Ferdinánd II of Tyrol (b 1529 – d 1595, since 1564 Imperial count of Tirol), and not only the hilt cap, but also the cross iron was changed to the Hungarian form. The letters (IHS) can be seen on the front, while the monogram (I.F.) can be seen on the latter. Presumably, the saber is connected to the Hungarian king Ferdinand I (1526–1564), who may have received the saber from Hungarian lords on the occasion of some notable event, such as a coronation or other celebration. It was used not only for newly manufactured sabers, but also for looted or gifted Turkish weapons, replacing the original cap. In its development, not so much practicality as fashion may have played a role. The hilt cap of the Hungarian saber is a metal sleeve with a sole attached to the flat surface formed at the end of the wood covering of the handle, which is held in place by nails driven into the rim below the sole. It does not provide as much space for decorative elements as the metal components of the blade or the case, however, its great advantage is that the hilt cap of the saber hanging on the side of the warrior and hidden in its scabbard is clearly visible. The display of the coat of arms and monogram makes this small metal plate almost the owner's signature, in which we can see the successor of medieval helmet badges and shields with coats of arms, as well as medallions indicating armament. Functionally, it clearly served personal identification. Considering this, we can say that the coat of arms and monogram of the hilt cap must always indicate the owner of the sword. In the case of an inherited, purchased or looted weapon, it would cause misunderstanding if the new owner kept the original cap plate, so he most likely replaced it with his own. century, since, for example, the Bebek coat of arms and the monogram G B, i.e. Georgius Bebek, were engraved in the hilt cap of the gilded silver-mounted Hungarian saber of Zrínyi's contemporary, lord György Bebek (†1567). The saber also has an oriental blade, in which the Arab swordsmith also engraved his name, according to which the piece was made by the Egyptian Muhammad.
Note: The acorn-cap to flat-cap change refered to are ilustrated in this picture from" TÖRÖK HATÁS A MAGYAR FEGYVEREKEN A 15-17. SZÁZADBAN by KOVÁCS S. Tibor"
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25 - Tomb effigy of Serédy György (†1557) at St. Egidius/Sz. Egyed Church in Bártfán/Bardejov, Slovakia.

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Immediately after Serédy's death, his widow, Katalin Byczynski, had it installed. The material is variegated marble with a reddish base tone. It was originally used as a lid for a stone coffin; this was dismantled in the 18th century. Parts of its sides are walled up in various places of the Sz. Egyed church, and partly used for altar tables. The inscription engraved on both sides of the stone slab: MAGNIFICVS DOMINVS GEORGIVS DE SERED OBIIT DIE 23 MENSIS APRILIS ANNO D[OMI]NI 1557.
From "Memory from the past, display for the future - early modern funeral monuments from the Transylvanian principlality by Dora Merai" we learn that it "was commissioned from Hieronymus Canavesi in Cracow by Katarzyna Buczynska de Olszyn, who also came from Poland".

Katarzyna Buczyńska remarried in 1558 with Olbracht Łaski, the heir of Kežmarok and extensive estates in Hungary and Spisz, later the starost of Spiš (recorded in 1581). She died in 1581. (Aedifico et Conservo. Eskalacja jakości kształcenia zawodowego w Polsce. Kontynuacja edycji projektu z l. 2010-2011)

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https://m.facebook.com/hazajaro/phot...4197621023382/
http://mek.oszk.hu/09100/09175/html/39.html
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...8&postcount=13

Note: Seredy Gyorgy's sabre seems to have the same cropped acorn-cap as Ferdinand's sabre and this one at the Museo delle Arti Marziali, Brescia in Italy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcXlasRbkm8). They both seem to be modified Ottoman hilts (notice the faceted hilt, meaning octogonal or hexagonal cross-section of the handles), with long quillons.
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Old 25th February 2023, 05:48 PM   #7
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No sabres, but too good to ignore. Battle scene depiction on Szapolyai János Zsigmond's sarcophagus from 1571 in Alba Iulia/Gyulafehérvár Transylvania, Romania.
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