Ebay UK ban sale of "samarai swords" - Page 2

Mike Cudzich-Madry · 7th April 2008, 08:07 PM

I have read all of your posts with interest, and while it may have been an originally proposed exclusion, where does it say that swords over 100 yrs old are exempt? It doesn't, in fact say this! One sword site was also using an earlier draft which specified "single edged curved swords"; this would have exempted European sabres because of up to one third of the back edge being sharpened from the point. Now, the only exemptions (apart from re-enactments, illustrations and sports) are for the very type of weapon (albeit for the real rather than the reproduction) that brought the bill into being in the first place; our own European historically cultural Military curved swords are not exempt!

This is a travesty; show me a hoodied yob, indigenous or otherwise, who is interested in the honour of leadership, obligation and duty represented by a sword. Show them a 1796 Officer's LC Sabre or a 1796/1803 Flank Company Officer's Sabre etc. etc., and all they see, with what little brainpower they have inherited from their restricted gene pool (nay, - make that gene puddle!), is that it can kill people, - anyone!

The problem today, is that thanks to the apologist 'do-gooder' mentality ascendant in our society with the eclipsing of the masculine by the feminine, it is no longer acceptable to judge people on their suitability as we used to; viz:- "no sorry you uneducated uncouth and pugnacious ignoramus, you are not a fitting member of society to possess something as noble as a sword" All that was necessary was to licence them and require the usual endorsement from a referee of professional rank; thus excluding the yobs and their yoblet offspring.

Mike

spiral · 8th April 2008, 10:43 AM

As I said earlier Mike,

"Its an ammendment to the offensive weapons act, the antique exemption to this ammendment are already written in that act. " So you wont finf it shown in the new ammendment, its in the offensive weapons laws last updated in about 1988 I think.

Heres some more info from the UK knife collectors & traders association.

linky

Spiral

kronckew · 12th July 2008, 10:25 AM

just heard there is to be an amendment to the silliest part of the law, in that countries other than japan who make swords by 'traditional methods' are also to be exempted. it also specifies that curved swords from any country made by any method prior to 1954 are to be exempted as well, so ww1 & 2 swords will again be OK to collect and deal in.

Law Linky

still written in the obscure ancient legalese dialect, but at least they are showing a bit of an 'oops, we screwed up' attitude.

7th April 2008, 08:07 PM	#31
Mike Cudzich-Madry Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2	Where does it say that swords over 100 yrs old are exempt? I have read all of your posts with interest, and while it may have been an originally proposed exclusion, where does it say that swords over 100 yrs old are exempt? It doesn't, in fact say this! One sword site was also using an earlier draft which specified "single edged curved swords"; this would have exempted European sabres because of up to one third of the back edge being sharpened from the point. Now, the only exemptions (apart from re-enactments, illustrations and sports) are for the very type of weapon (albeit for the real rather than the reproduction) that brought the bill into being in the first place; our own European historically cultural Military curved swords are not exempt! This is a travesty; show me a hoodied yob, indigenous or otherwise, who is interested in the honour of leadership, obligation and duty represented by a sword. Show them a 1796 Officer's LC Sabre or a 1796/1803 Flank Company Officer's Sabre etc. etc., and all they see, with what little brainpower they have inherited from their restricted gene pool (nay, - make that gene puddle!), is that it can kill people, - anyone! The problem today, is that thanks to the apologist 'do-gooder' mentality ascendant in our society with the eclipsing of the masculine by the feminine, it is no longer acceptable to judge people on their suitability as we used to; viz:- "no sorry you uneducated uncouth and pugnacious ignoramus, you are not a fitting member of society to possess something as noble as a sword" All that was necessary was to licence them and require the usual endorsement from a referee of professional rank; thus excluding the yobs and their yoblet offspring. Mike

8th April 2008, 10:43 AM	#32
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	As I said earlier Mike, "Its an ammendment to the offensive weapons act, the antique exemption to this ammendment are already written in that act. " So you wont finf it shown in the new ammendment, its in the offensive weapons laws last updated in about 1988 I think. Heres some more info from the UK knife collectors & traders association. linky Spiral

12th July 2008, 10:25 AM	#33
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	just heard there is to be an amendment to the silliest part of the law, in that countries other than japan who make swords by 'traditional methods' are also to be exempted. it also specifies that curved swords from any country made by any method prior to 1954 are to be exempted as well, so ww1 & 2 swords will again be OK to collect and deal in. Law Linky still written in the obscure ancient legalese dialect, but at least they are showing a bit of an 'oops, we screwed up' attitude.