|
17th November 2017, 03:50 PM | #1 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Scotland
Posts: 322
|
Hi Ibrahiim,
Thanks for the link to John Carters article - I had not seen that before. It's a good summary of the British RN standard patterns with good photographs and even includes some of the less well known variants. Regards, CC |
17th November 2017, 04:00 PM | #2 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Sweden
Posts: 682
|
Interestingly some people are convinced that the animal represented on the pommel is a dolphin.
|
18th November 2017, 03:11 AM | #3 | |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
Quote:
Yes it is ...On swords of The Confederate Navy Officers~ for which an excellent video exists at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2VY3_5P6IQ These swords were made in England in two centres by Birmingham; Robert Mole and London Ferman and Sons..The importer was in Charleston which is stamped on the Forte. On the sword at video you will see the Wilkinson mark as a six pointed star and the Proof Slug in the centre. The second video in sequence deals with that mark. Essentially suggesting strength and Unbreakableness... |
|
18th November 2017, 03:47 AM | #4 | |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
Quote:
Prior to 1800 the cutlass hilt was in the form of a figure of eight or double disc, the grip was a cylinder of wrapped steel, the blade plain and straight, (mine is grooved) and stamped with a ‘Fleur de lis’mark,probably (T Hollier 1720-1740) length varied, but around 28 to 29 inches (71-74cm)"Unquote. The last part of the paragraph is in itself a revelation as questions related to FDL (Fleur De Lys) crop up across the European Forum since the mark is French prior to the Revolution...and also thought to be a German mark... of course these could be imported blades we are looking at ...and refinished in England. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 18th November 2017 at 07:47 AM. |
|
18th November 2017, 08:19 AM | #5 |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
So what was 100 Gun Ship of the Line like? Here is HMS ROYAL GEORGE.
HMS "Royal George", 100-guns first rate ship of the line launch at Woolwich in 1756. In the armouries 50 swords and 70 hangars... By swords it meant probably Naval Swords since the term Cutlass had not yet been coined by the Royal Navy. |
18th November 2017, 09:19 AM | #6 |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
We can observe a battle involving boarding and hand to hand fighting involving Cutlasses thus to study the devastating effects of this weapon!and its use in the Royal Navy.
More casualties occurred in this single action than to HMS Victory's crew in the Battle of Trafalgar. The case study being seen on~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_USS_Chesapeake As a pre-amble this is the historical note ~110...The Capture of USS Chesapeake, or the Battle of Boston Harbor, was fought on 1 June 1813, between the Royal Navy's frigate HMS Shannon and American frigate USS Chesapeake, as part of the War of 1812 between the United States and Great Britain. The Chesapeake was captured in a brief but intense action in which over 80 men were killed. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 18th November 2017 at 11:43 AM. |
19th November 2017, 12:38 PM | #7 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Scotland
Posts: 322
|
Casualty List
The Shannon v. Chesapeake duel is also well described by Gilkerson in 'Boarders Away'.
He also includes the casualty list from the Shannon which lists the frequency and the cause of each death and wound. This makes for interesting reading. First place is taken by small calibre ball wounds - 33, followed by larger calibre ie: grapeshot, 22. Cutlass wounds were surprisingly few at 5 with two more attributed to pike or bayonet. The remainder were wounds caused by splinters or impact damage. Unfortunately the much lengthier list for the American ship has not survived but there were reportedly many more cutlass and pike wounds. Presumably, at least in part, due to the boarding action where the Brits were on the offensive. CC |
19th November 2017, 06:22 PM | #8 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,057
|
Michiel de Ruyter 1667.
Ceylon (in 1972 called Sri Lanka)was a Dutch colony from1640-1796. best, Jasper |
20th November 2017, 07:13 AM | #9 |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
Lovely artwork though is it a Cutlass? Certainly it shows the Lionhead potential for a Castane or Dutch derivative sword. The Dutch were there for a whole lot longer than that but as you point out these were the dates for their official period in Sri Lanka at the time. He has a Globe which looks like an Ortelius Dutch map / chartmaker.
This was one of the finest Dutch Admirals in History~ Please See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_de_Ruyter Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 20th November 2017 at 07:25 AM. |
20th November 2017, 07:09 AM | #10 | |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
Quote:
|
|
21st November 2017, 05:06 AM | #11 | |
Arms Historian
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,785
|
Quote:
An account of this event with this captain is told in "British Naval Swords & Swordsmanship", (John McGrath and Mark Barton, 2013, p14)where there is an account titled 'Treatment of a Wound from a Sabre Cut' given. Apparently Captain P.B.V. Broke of the Shannon while boarding the Cheasapeake, received a serious blow to the head with a sword which extended from top of his head across the left parietal bone to his ear. He was badly weakened from blood loss and underwent a period of recovery, and apparently as noted did not ever command a ship again, but was awarded a title of Baron for his valor and achievements. |
|
|
|