...and while were on the topic of pole arms.....

Shakethetrees · 29th August 2014, 04:41 PM

I found these guys a couple of years ago, and was told by the seller that he bought them in France or Belgium.

I believe they're Victorian era copies, but, still, the price was so low I couldn't resist.

The longer one is 29 inches long, the shorter is 25 1/2 inches.

I could be wrong, so any comments are most welcome!

Matchlock · 29th August 2014, 05:41 PM

I guess they are; and may I add, quite primitively done as well: the iron seems to be just too thick and plump to be wrought, it must have been cast.

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Shakethetrees · 29th August 2014, 06:45 PM

They're not cast.

I always look for signs of handwork and they are there, at least on the straps and spear points. It's just that the blades are so thick. It wouldn't be cost effective to cast the blades and have a smith forge out the blades and straps and fit them together, it wouldn't make any sense!

Anyway, I will keep them around for a while and eventually move them out when something else comes along that I have to own.

fernando · 29th August 2014, 07:27 PM

Maybe props for movies or the like

Shakethetrees · 30th August 2014, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Maybe props for movies or the like

I'm not sure of this. I've seen a lot of movie props, and most of them are either molded plastic, or, if they're metal, they might look good from afar, but close up, there's no mistaking them for props.

Besides, they show some age.

These guys are sharp enough to where you should be careful not to stumble into them or otherwise come into surprise contact. They'll cut or poke a good size hole in you if you're careless.

I suspect they're 19th century copies made for a manor house, or something similar.

fernando · 30th August 2014, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shakethetrees

...These guys are sharp enough to where you should be careful not to stumble into them or otherwise come into surprise contact. They'll cut or poke a good size hole in you if you're careless.
... I suspect they're 19th century copies made for a manor house, or something similar.

Well, things put that way, you are most probably right

JamesKelly · 8th September 2014, 10:23 PM

Just a metallurgical aside.

"Cast iron cannot be wrought and wrought iron cannot be cast."

This was a true saying through the 19th century, at least in the Western World.
Steel takes something over 1430C (2600F) to melt, cast iron maybe 200-250C (400-450F) lower. A somewhat ductile form of cast iron, "Malleable Iron" was developed in 18th century France. It would not be suitable for any axe or spear, it is not that tough.

Michigan Steel Cast Company was organized in 1908 in Detroit, I believe MISCO was a rather early steel foundry.

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Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	...and while were on the topic of pole arms..... I found these guys a couple of years ago, and was told by the seller that he bought them in France or Belgium. I believe they're Victorian era copies, but, still, the price was so low I couldn't resist. The longer one is 29 inches long, the shorter is 25 1/2 inches. I could be wrong, so any comments are most welcome! Attached Images

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Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I guess they are; and may I add, quite primitively done as well: the iron seems to be just too thick and plump to be wrought, it must have been cast. m

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Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	They're not cast. I always look for signs of handwork and they are there, at least on the straps and spear points. It's just that the blades are so thick. It wouldn't be cost effective to cast the blades and have a smith forge out the blades and straps and fit them together, it wouldn't make any sense! Anyway, I will keep them around for a while and eventually move them out when something else comes along that I have to own.

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fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Maybe props for movies or the like

8th September 2014, 10:23 PM	#7
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Just a metallurgical aside. "Cast iron cannot be wrought and wrought iron cannot be cast." This was a true saying through the 19th century, at least in the Western World. Steel takes something over 1430C (2600F) to melt, cast iron maybe 200-250C (400-450F) lower. A somewhat ductile form of cast iron, "Malleable Iron" was developed in 18th century France. It would not be suitable for any axe or spear, it is not that tough. Michigan Steel Cast Company was organized in 1908 in Detroit, I believe MISCO was a rather early steel foundry.