Iron Khanjar

corrado26 · 16th November 2016, 02:50 PM

A collector brought me this khanjar. Total length is 445mm, length of blade is 265mm, hilt and sheeth are made of magnetic iron, weight with sheeth is 499g.
Would like to invite comments by the specialists here. Thanks
corrado26

Saracen · 16th November 2016, 03:23 PM

Late Qajar period (Persia), late 19th and early 20th century

Saracen · 16th November 2016, 03:24 PM

double, sorry

Battara · 16th November 2016, 03:54 PM

It looks Persian from the Qajar revival period.

mariusgmioc · 16th November 2016, 07:56 PM

Persian and Qajar, yes but there is something about the traces of pitting on the blade that makes me wonder whether it is not wootz.

Since the blade will benefit anyhow from some polishing, why not give it a try?

Even the hilt an scabbard could benefit from some polishing & etching as they have been very crudely cleaned, so much detail was lost.

I would polish the blade with grits 1000-2000-3000 then try etching it for wootz.

I would also polish the hilt and scabbard, gently, with grits not lower than 2000/3000. Then blacken it with Perma Blue and polish out the high relief with grit 3000.

But it is not my blade.

Saracen · 16th November 2016, 08:33 PM

Слишком поздно для булата

Too late for wootz

Battara · 16th November 2016, 11:02 PM

Thoughts on the blade:

1. Could the blade not be wootz but laminated instead?

2. Could the blade be older woozy and later repurposed?

Some possibilities I see for this blade being in Qajar mounts.

Other thoughts?

Saracen · 16th November 2016, 11:15 PM

Грубоватые долы, крупное травление и последующая гравировка на клинке (соответствующая гравировке на рукояти и ножнах) - все за позднее изготовление клинка.

Rude valleys, large etching and subsequent engraving on the blade (corresponding to the engraving on the hilt and scabbard) - all for the later production of the blade.

mariusgmioc · 17th November 2016, 06:39 AM

Yet, I have seen quite a few Qajar Khanjars with wootz blades. So, if it will be the case, this one won't definitely be an exception.

I guess that most of them were refurbished older blades.

Oliver Pinchot · 17th November 2016, 07:07 AM

Wootz blades were produced in Iran into the 20th century.
Nasr al-Din Shah (r. 1848-1896) was responsible for a neoclassical movement in Iran, designed to counter European influence and stimulate the economy. Swordsmithing was revived and some very good wootz blades were forged. A number of the better examples bear his name.

Saracen · 17th November 2016, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Wootz blades were produced in Iran into the 20th century.
Nasr al-Din Shah (r. 1848-1896) was responsible for a neoclassical movement in Iran, designed to counter European influence and stimulate the economy. Swordsmithing was revived and some very good wootz blades were forged. A number of the better examples bear his name.

Спасибо за эту информацию

Thank you for this information

16th November 2016, 02:50 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,232	Iron Khanjar A collector brought me this khanjar. Total length is 445mm, length of blade is 265mm, hilt and sheeth are made of magnetic iron, weight with sheeth is 499g. Would like to invite comments by the specialists here. Thanks corrado26 Attached Images

16th November 2016, 03:24 PM	#3
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	double, sorry Last edited by Saracen; 16th November 2016 at 06:05 PM.

16th November 2016, 11:15 PM	#8
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	Грубоватые долы, крупное травление и последующая гравировка на клинке (соответствующая гравировке на рукояти и ножнах) - все за позднее изготовление клинка. Rude valleys, large etching and subsequent engraving on the blade (corresponding to the engraving on the hilt and scabbard) - all for the later production of the blade. Last edited by Saracen; 17th November 2016 at 12:33 PM.

16th November 2016, 03:23 PM	#2
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	Late Qajar period (Persia), late 19th and early 20th century

16th November 2016, 03:54 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,299	It looks Persian from the Qajar revival period.

16th November 2016, 07:56 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Persian and Qajar, yes but there is something about the traces of pitting on the blade that makes me wonder whether it is not wootz. Since the blade will benefit anyhow from some polishing, why not give it a try? Even the hilt an scabbard could benefit from some polishing & etching as they have been very crudely cleaned, so much detail was lost. I would polish the blade with grits 1000-2000-3000 then try etching it for wootz. I would also polish the hilt and scabbard, gently, with grits not lower than 2000/3000. Then blacken it with Perma Blue and polish out the high relief with grit 3000. But it is not my blade.

16th November 2016, 08:33 PM	#6
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	Слишком поздно для булата Too late for wootz

16th November 2016, 11:02 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,299	Thoughts on the blade: 1. Could the blade not be wootz but laminated instead? 2. Could the blade be older woozy and later repurposed? Some possibilities I see for this blade being in Qajar mounts. Other thoughts?

17th November 2016, 06:39 AM	#9
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Yet, I have seen quite a few Qajar Khanjars with wootz blades. So, if it will be the case, this one won't definitely be an exception. I guess that most of them were refurbished older blades.

17th November 2016, 07:07 AM	#10
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 467	Wootz blades were produced in Iran into the 20th century. Nasr al-Din Shah (r. 1848-1896) was responsible for a neoclassical movement in Iran, designed to counter European influence and stimulate the economy. Swordsmithing was revived and some very good wootz blades were forged. A number of the better examples bear his name.