Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 20th April 2022, 05:05 PM   #1
BBking
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Default A caucasian beibut dagger ?

Hello, this is my last acquisition,
a small dagger with a kindjal shape hilt.
Nice filigree scabbard with stones/turquoises
and hardstone hilt

Too fancy ?? A tourist piece for you ??.

Maybe made for a lady or for a child ??

I hesitate between oriental or caucasian origin ??
Attached Images
   
BBking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th April 2022, 08:28 PM   #2
Ren Ren
Member
 
Ren Ren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Russia, Moscow
Posts: 365
Default

This is a souvenir made in Armenia for tourists.
Ren Ren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st April 2022, 09:07 AM   #3
BBking
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Default

Hello,
Thank you for the armenian origin !
For the armenian tourist pieces with stones and filigree,
Maybe have you a picture of similar pieces ??
On the web I just found these ugly "daggers" , clearly not the same work ...

For "my" beibut-kindjal, the blade seems not that bad, not just flat.
There is a light central fuller, that's what told me the seller and what we guess on the picture.
I will post better pictures when I will receive it...
Hoping I am not all wrong...
Attached Images
 
BBking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st April 2022, 06:03 PM   #4
ariel
Member
 
ariel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 5,503
Default

Just as well it may be from Georgia or from the Russia- controlled North Caucasus. All of these places are chock-full of souvenir workshops producing such kinjals 24/7 and each one has a stamping press and/or a bunch of after-school girls applying filigree of local design. The only way to pinpoint the origin is by looking at the language of inscription, but there is none on your example.

Souvenir item , likely very new, including last couple of years.
ariel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th April 2022, 12:18 PM   #5
BBking
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Default

Hello, I just received it,

The blade has a large single fuller,
Not a weapon but not a basic souvenir

I will post other pictures

Maybe made by school grandma's....
Attached Images
 
BBking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th April 2022, 12:24 PM   #6
BBking
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Talking

Difficult to find his bebut internet brother

But I get it !!

Said to be end of 19th/early 20th century...
Attached Images
   
BBking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th April 2022, 12:24 AM   #7
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,135
Default

The Oriental-Arms example was long ago and with better understanding years later, it now might be considered souvenir class.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th April 2022, 03:32 AM   #8
ariel
Member
 
ariel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 5,503
Default

Moreover, the Oriental_Arms' and yours are not the same dagger.
ariel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th April 2022, 05:38 PM   #9
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ariel View Post
Moreover, the Oriental_Arms' and yours are not the same dagger.
Sure does look like the same workshop though. Though i suspect Artzi may have over estimated its age a bit.
David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14th December 2023, 06:21 PM   #10
francantolin
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 813
Default

hello
I saw this, action just ended,
Not a period but a price....
Not bad for 'tourist's souvenir as some said.
Attached Images
 
francantolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.