What do I have?

BBJW · 13th February 2011, 06:52 PM

I just picked this up. These are not in my sphere of collecting. What do I have? Scabbard is dated 1946 with some Arabic script under it.

Cheers
bbjw

Jussi M. · 13th February 2011, 10:50 PM

Umm, a keris???

Sorry, could not resist myself

Unfortunately I am no well versed enough to tag it but I do like it.

So, what are we looking at here folks?

Thanks,

J.

Rick · 14th February 2011, 02:33 AM

C'mon ....

Take a guess Jussi .

Jussi M. · 14th February 2011, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

C'mon ....

Take a guess Jussi .

Ok... It is a... nice keris???

Yes!

OK... I really am guessing here so take the following suggestion as that: I see a Yogyakarta dressed Javanese keris Betok.

Thanks,

J.

David · 14th February 2011, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jussi M.

OK... I really am guessing here so take the following suggestion as that: I see a Yogyakarta dressed Javanese keris Betok.

I don't this this is a keris betok....

Rick · 14th February 2011, 07:41 PM

Might this be a kebo lajer ?

In Yogya dress .

BBJW · 14th February 2011, 07:57 PM

Nobody cares to be serious here? Terrific.

bbjw

Jussi M. · 14th February 2011, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBJW

Nobody cares to be serious here? Terrific.

bbjw

A little humor goes a long way. As of my bet I probably got it (read did get it) wrong and Rick most probably got it right. Them Kerises are not - to include most people frequenting this place myself very much included - necessarily easy to tag compared in contrast to many other forms of ethnographic bladed weaponry.

Sorry If I offended some how. That I assure you was not my purpose.

What ever this keris might be labeled as it is a nice one. That´s what counts.

Thanks,

J.

A. G. Maisey · 14th February 2011, 08:41 PM

BBJW, I can be very serious, and if you feel that you would prefer this approach, I can provide it. However, I almost never adopt this posture, because it frequently offends.

The people who have contributed to this thread have done so in a relaxed way, and probably have acted so because they like the ongoing conversation.

Be patient. You'll get what you want eventually, and it will be provided without my rough edges.

VANDOO · 14th February 2011, 09:11 PM

I AM NOT KNOWLEGABLE ENOUGH TO GUESS BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GOOD CLOSE UP OF THE DESIGN AND WRITEING ON THE SCABBARD. IT MAY GIVE SOME VALUABLE IDENTIFICATION AS TO WHERE IT COMES FROM AND ITS HISTORY. SOME CLOSEUPS OF THE BLADE WOULD HELP ID PARMOR, AGE AND COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
EVEN THE EXPERTS CAN'T DO MUCH WHEN WORKING IN THE DARK. GOOD LUCK

David · 14th February 2011, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBJW

Nobody cares to be serious here? Terrific.

bbjw

Actually, aside from some opening kidding you have indeed had a couple of serious answers, though i believe one was incorrect and suggested as much.
So far the Yogyakarta dress part is correct, and the sheath is Ladrang, which is the formal dress.
The gandik does seem a tad on the long size so Rick may well be correct to call this dhapur kebo lajer, though it doesn't seem as overtly long as many kebo keris i have seen.
The blade is out of stain so it is hard to name the pamor based on these photos, but it could be a standard "scattered rice" (wos wutah) pattern. Looks like average village work to me.
Maybe if you made you questions more specific you would receive more specific answers.
Better, closer images might tell more. What exactly do you want to know?

Rick · 15th February 2011, 02:28 AM

I would add that being village work (this is not a bad thing necessarily) .......... Sometimes the smith's intent of the dhapur form can be interpreted in more than one way; that's why I followed my guess with a question mark .

More, I cannot answer .

David · 15th February 2011, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I would add that being village work (this is not a bad thing necessarily) .......... Sometimes the smith's intent of the dhapur form can be interpreted in more than one way; that's why I followed my guess with a question mark .

More, I cannot answer .

Not at all Rick, i like village work...It accounts for the vast majority of my collection...

...and i'm not counting out your guess as a possibility...

David · 15th February 2011, 12:31 PM

Forgive me BBJW, but isn't this the same keris that you posted back in 2007?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4158

Sajen · 15th February 2011, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Forgive me BBJW, but isn't this the same keris that you posted back in 2007?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4158

It is the same keris when my eyes not morbid.

And BBJW get a very comprehensive answer from Alan G. Maisey. But BBJW may want to know more?

Maybe he can specify his question.

BBJW · 15th February 2011, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Forgive me BBJW, but isn't this the same keris that you posted back in 2007?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4158

Yes it is and I forgot to put a tag on it. I didn't mean to imply that I recently purchased this. I was just getting pieces ready to sell that I have picked up over the years that don't really interest me and still couldn't pass up at the time. Collecting can be a disease!

Thanx
bbjw

David · 15th February 2011, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBJW

Collecting can be a disease!

What do you mean, CAN be?

13th February 2011, 06:52 PM	#1
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 225	What do I have? I just picked this up. These are not in my sphere of collecting. What do I have? Scabbard is dated 1946 with some Arabic script under it. Cheers bbjw Attached Images

14th February 2011, 07:57 PM	#7
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 225	Seriously Nobody cares to be serious here? Terrific. bbjw

13th February 2011, 10:50 PM	#2
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Umm, a keris??? Sorry, could not resist myself Unfortunately I am no well versed enough to tag it but I do like it. So, what are we looking at here folks? Thanks, J.

14th February 2011, 02:33 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	C'mon .... Take a guess Jussi .

14th February 2011, 07:41 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Might this be a kebo lajer ? In Yogya dress .

14th February 2011, 08:41 PM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	BBJW, I can be very serious, and if you feel that you would prefer this approach, I can provide it. However, I almost never adopt this posture, because it frequently offends. The people who have contributed to this thread have done so in a relaxed way, and probably have acted so because they like the ongoing conversation. Be patient. You'll get what you want eventually, and it will be provided without my rough edges.

14th February 2011, 09:11 PM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AM NOT KNOWLEGABLE ENOUGH TO GUESS BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GOOD CLOSE UP OF THE DESIGN AND WRITEING ON THE SCABBARD. IT MAY GIVE SOME VALUABLE IDENTIFICATION AS TO WHERE IT COMES FROM AND ITS HISTORY. SOME CLOSEUPS OF THE BLADE WOULD HELP ID PARMOR, AGE AND COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. EVEN THE EXPERTS CAN'T DO MUCH WHEN WORKING IN THE DARK. GOOD LUCK

15th February 2011, 02:28 AM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	I would add that being village work (this is not a bad thing necessarily) .......... Sometimes the smith's intent of the dhapur form can be interpreted in more than one way; that's why I followed my guess with a question mark . More, I cannot answer .

15th February 2011, 12:31 PM	#14
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,025	Forgive me BBJW, but isn't this the same keris that you posted back in 2007? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4158