old european lance

fernando · 1st September 2005, 09:21 PM

Let me show you this other piece i bought, which i know nearly nothing about.The seller is a generalist, he knows even much less than me about old weapons.The most curious part, as new to me, is the technique apllied in the blade making. In both sides, the right half is covered by a second steel layer, roughly hand welded to the basic part. Such reinforcements, wider at the tip periphery, also cover the blade neck. It could be that the blade form started as a three part folder, with a consequent turning in and hand welding the half parts to the basis. Certain trimming would then be needed to adjust the folding excesses to the basic blade and neck shape, unless the starting three part piece was already pre-shaped.
Is there any logic in this, or do the pictures look otherwise to experts ?
Could anyone know or guess the aproximate age of this arm ?
I would be much obliged for your help.

Bill · 2nd September 2005, 02:40 AM

You come up with some interesting pieces. No idea about the add-on, someone should go replace Tom's phone jack, he would come up with 6 different answers, & you can choice. Wonder what it cost to carbon date a piece of the wood?

fernando · 3rd September 2005, 01:34 AM

Thank you Bill.
I didn't coment on the shaft, as i did some nasty business there. It is actually a section of some thirty inches, the rest possibly broken or cut off, due to the rot. The remaining part it came with, although profusely mined by the wood worm, was only colapsed in the part inside the socket, due to contact with the fixing nails corrosion. I dismounted the nails and filed the shaft in order to remount it firmly into the socket. But i didn't control the extension of the filing area and unecessarily rubbed off a couple inches of the wood ancient colour. The second mistake was that, in order to kill the wood worms ( probably already death, but still pooring a lot of saw dust ) i used a classic colourless product, but the simple wetting of the wood made it loose a lot of its great ancient patina. Silly me.
I hope someone will come up with an idea on the age or period of this lance, given the technique used for its making.
Thanks

1st September 2005, 09:21 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	old european lance Let me show you this other piece i bought, which i know nearly nothing about.The seller is a generalist, he knows even much less than me about old weapons.The most curious part, as new to me, is the technique apllied in the blade making. In both sides, the right half is covered by a second steel layer, roughly hand welded to the basic part. Such reinforcements, wider at the tip periphery, also cover the blade neck. It could be that the blade form started as a three part folder, with a consequent turning in and hand welding the half parts to the basis. Certain trimming would then be needed to adjust the folding excesses to the basic blade and neck shape, unless the starting three part piece was already pre-shaped. Is there any logic in this, or do the pictures look otherwise to experts ? Could anyone know or guess the aproximate age of this arm ? I would be much obliged for your help. Attached Images

2nd September 2005, 02:40 AM	#2
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	You come up with some interesting pieces. No idea about the add-on, someone should go replace Tom's phone jack, he would come up with 6 different answers, & you can choice. Wonder what it cost to carbon date a piece of the wood?

3rd September 2005, 01:34 AM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Thank you Bill. I didn't coment on the shaft, as i did some nasty business there. It is actually a section of some thirty inches, the rest possibly broken or cut off, due to the rot. The remaining part it came with, although profusely mined by the wood worm, was only colapsed in the part inside the socket, due to contact with the fixing nails corrosion. I dismounted the nails and filed the shaft in order to remount it firmly into the socket. But i didn't control the extension of the filing area and unecessarily rubbed off a couple inches of the wood ancient colour. The second mistake was that, in order to kill the wood worms ( probably already death, but still pooring a lot of saw dust ) i used a classic colourless product, but the simple wetting of the wood made it loose a lot of its great ancient patina. Silly me. I hope someone will come up with an idea on the age or period of this lance, given the technique used for its making. Thanks