Plug bayonet & Left hand dagger

Trond · 24th January 2011, 10:08 PM

I have a couple of blades I know next to nothing about. Both are in astonishing good condition, even the grip on the plug bayonet. It seems to never even has been put in a muzzle.

At first I believed the plug bayonet might have been assembled at a later date, taking the blade from a sword, but studying it closely it seems to be "one genuine piece". Could anybody come up with suggestions on country and approximate time?

The dagger is a beauty with almost impossible workmanship. The center of the blade and the sides of the ricasso are perforated in a intricate pattern and the V groves has hardly any diameter at the bottom. The sides go down and just straight up again. I am not able to understand how they managed to do it. Again - probable country and time period?

Trond

fernando · 24th January 2011, 10:27 PM

Hi Trond,
Fascinating pieces.
Could you post a close up picture of the plug bayonet blade, so that the inscription can be read ? Could it be Latin ?
Can you also tell us the blade length ?
By the way, do you know R.D.C. Evans book, called THE PLUG BAYONET ?
It is a fine work.

celtan · 25th January 2011, 12:20 AM

V ery B eautiful B oth : )

I think the latin motto roughly translates into

"Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad"

M

Trond · 25th January 2011, 07:44 AM

Here are a couple of pictures of the text. I have "hardened" the pictures slightly.

Trond

celtan · 25th January 2011, 02:18 PM

Aghh... it's so beautiful it makes me salivate...

Now we have:

"Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad"

" Fight for Fatherland, Altars (God) and Hearth (Home)"

Reminds me of the spanish military motto

"Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey" (For God, Fatherland and King)

Good reasons to rot under 6 feet of soil and push up lilies...

fernando · 25th January 2011, 06:33 PM

The PUGNO PRO PATRIA legend was a 'fashionable' patriotic motto in use in the 16th-17th century in several European countries.
A pity this is not enough to figure out the origin of this magnificent plug bayonet

.
Let's see if someone pops up with positive data.

No ideas about the left hand dagger, Gentlemen?
No close up pictures available, Trond ?

24th January 2011, 10:08 PM	#1
Trond Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 30	Plug bayonet & Left hand dagger I have a couple of blades I know next to nothing about. Both are in astonishing good condition, even the grip on the plug bayonet. It seems to never even has been put in a muzzle. At first I believed the plug bayonet might have been assembled at a later date, taking the blade from a sword, but studying it closely it seems to be "one genuine piece". Could anybody come up with suggestions on country and approximate time? The dagger is a beauty with almost impossible workmanship. The center of the blade and the sides of the ricasso are perforated in a intricate pattern and the V groves has hardly any diameter at the bottom. The sides go down and just straight up again. I am not able to understand how they managed to do it. Again - probable country and time period? Trond

25th January 2011, 12:20 AM	#3
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	V ery B eautiful B oth : ) I think the latin motto roughly translates into "Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad" M Last edited by celtan; 25th January 2011 at 01:49 AM.

24th January 2011, 10:27 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,643	Hi Trond, Fascinating pieces. Could you post a close up picture of the plug bayonet blade, so that the inscription can be read ? Could it be Latin ? Can you also tell us the blade length ? By the way, do you know R.D.C. Evans book, called THE PLUG BAYONET ? It is a fine work.

25th January 2011, 07:44 AM	#4
Trond Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 30	Here are a couple of pictures of the text. I have "hardened" the pictures slightly. Trond

25th January 2011, 02:18 PM	#5
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Aghh... it's so beautiful it makes me salivate... Now we have: "Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad" " Fight for Fatherland, Altars (God) and Hearth (Home)" Reminds me of the spanish military motto "Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey" (For God, Fatherland and King) Good reasons to rot under 6 feet of soil and push up lilies...

25th January 2011, 06:33 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,643	The PUGNO PRO PATRIA legend was a 'fashionable' patriotic motto in use in the 16th-17th century in several European countries. A pity this is not enough to figure out the origin of this magnificent plug bayonet . Let's see if someone pops up with positive data. No ideas about the left hand dagger, Gentlemen? No close up pictures available, Trond ?