Help Translating a Persian Shamshir Hilt Strap

CharlesS · 8th April 2013, 05:28 PM

I am hoping one of our forumites can translate this hilt strap(top and bottom) that is gold koftgari over steel. I am assuming since it is on a Persian shamshir that it is Farsi in Arabic script.

Thanks for any help!!!

Robert · 8th April 2013, 05:50 PM

Hello Charles,
I cannot be of any help on this other than to say that it is a standing policy to show a photo of the entire weapon in question to receive help on translations. Looking forward to seeing the photo and to hearing the translation.

Best,
Robert

CharlesS · 8th April 2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Hello Charles,
I cannot be of any help on this other than to say that it is a standing policy to show a photo of the entire weapon in question to receive help on translations. Looking forward to seeing the photo and to hearing the translation.

Best,
Robert

Apologies Robert. I was unaware of that policy. Here are some basic pics of the entire piece.

Gavin Nugent · 8th April 2013, 07:33 PM

I too am unaware of this "policy"

but I am sure glad you posted the extra images.

The blade and fittings are in an exceptional state of preservation.

Is the leather work a new restoration or old but in an exceptional state of preservation....enough of my questions, back to yours!!!

Gavin

Iain · 8th April 2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

I too am unaware of this "policy"

but I am sure glad you posted the extra images.

I thought it used to be in a sticky thread at the top of the forum. But I don't see it now.

Lovely sword! Will be interesting to learn what it says.

CharlesS · 8th April 2013, 08:22 PM

Thanks guys. The leather has, indeed, been restored. All else is original to the sword.

Robert · 8th April 2013, 08:56 PM

Hello Charles, and thank you for the photos of your beautiful sword. I'm sure that someone will be by (hopefully shortly) to help with the translation.

Best,
Robert

Battara · 8th April 2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Apologies Robert. I was unaware of that policy. Here are some basic pics of the entire piece.

Yeah, it is. But it serves us all to see the context of the piece when needing translations.

If this is the one I'm thinking of, the blade is more beautiful in person: the wootz really pops out more than the picture shows.

AJ1356 · 10th April 2013, 05:31 AM

That is a beautiful shamshir, the test on the hilt is Arabic, and worn off making it harder to read. Maybe DOM can do his magic.

A.alnakkas · 10th April 2013, 02:38 PM

Amazing :-)) congratulations Charles!

I cannot read it, sorry.. Did manage to make sense of some words but its very fragmented and I cannot be sure that what I read is correct.

Is the blade Kirk nurduban?? how long is the blade alone?

CharlesS · 13th April 2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Amazing :-)) congratulations Charles!

I cannot read it, sorry.. Did manage to make sense of some words but its very fragmented and I cannot be sure that what I read is correct.

Is the blade Kirk nurduban?? how long is the blade alone?

Many thanks for your kind comments, though I never intended to post pics of the entire sword.

The wootz blade is, indeed, the ladder pattern, kirk nurduban, and the pattern is very clear on both sides.

The blade is rather large at 35 inches across the curvature.

I am still hoping for some input on the hilt strap.

CharlesS · 23rd April 2013, 04:39 PM

Where is Dom!!??

A.alnakkas · 6th July 2015, 12:22 AM

tried having a 2nd go on this. Charles, Can you email for me bigger, better photos?

AJ1356 · 6th July 2015, 03:23 AM

If you are ever in Nashville and want to bring this over, I can look at it closely and maybe firgure something out.

CharlesS · 7th July 2015, 12:20 AM

Thanks guys! I will try to have better close-ups for you in a few days.

CharlesS · 19th July 2015, 03:08 PM

Hopefully these will be better pics that can help with translation.

Thanks in advance!

sirupate · 19th July 2015, 03:54 PM

Tis a beauty

8th April 2013, 05:28 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Help Translating a Persian Shamshir Hilt Strap I am hoping one of our forumites can translate this hilt strap(top and bottom) that is gold koftgari over steel. I am assuming since it is on a Persian shamshir that it is Farsi in Arabic script. Thanks for any help!!! Attached Images

19th July 2015, 03:08 PM	#16
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Hopefully these will be better pics that can help with translation. Thanks in advance! Attached Images

8th April 2013, 05:50 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Charles, I cannot be of any help on this other than to say that it is a standing policy to show a photo of the entire weapon in question to receive help on translations. Looking forward to seeing the photo and to hearing the translation. Best, Robert

8th April 2013, 07:33 PM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I too am unaware of this "policy" but I am sure glad you posted the extra images. The blade and fittings are in an exceptional state of preservation. Is the leather work a new restoration or old but in an exceptional state of preservation....enough of my questions, back to yours!!! Gavin

8th April 2013, 08:22 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Thanks guys. The leather has, indeed, been restored. All else is original to the sword.

8th April 2013, 08:56 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Charles, and thank you for the photos of your beautiful sword. I'm sure that someone will be by (hopefully shortly) to help with the translation. Best, Robert

10th April 2013, 05:31 AM	#9
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	That is a beautiful shamshir, the test on the hilt is Arabic, and worn off making it harder to read. Maybe DOM can do his magic.

10th April 2013, 02:38 PM	#10
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,338	Amazing :-)) congratulations Charles! I cannot read it, sorry.. Did manage to make sense of some words but its very fragmented and I cannot be sure that what I read is correct. Is the blade Kirk nurduban?? how long is the blade alone?

23rd April 2013, 04:39 PM	#12
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Where is Dom!!??

6th July 2015, 12:22 AM	#13
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,338	tried having a 2nd go on this. Charles, Can you email for me bigger, better photos?

6th July 2015, 03:23 AM	#14
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	If you are ever in Nashville and want to bring this over, I can look at it closely and maybe firgure something out.

7th July 2015, 12:20 AM	#15
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Thanks guys! I will try to have better close-ups for you in a few days.

19th July 2015, 03:54 PM	#17
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Tis a beauty