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Old 28th October 2011, 06:53 AM   #1
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Posting this for posterity and to share this unusual piece. I think I've seen similar pieces but these aren't as common so I thought I'd share. Actually I'm surprised pics of this have not turned up on here yet.

If this is in the hands of anybody reading this, please post more pics of it! As always if anyone has anything to add, please do so!
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Old 28th October 2011, 06:55 AM   #2
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More pics.

Which region is this "Elephant Trunk" shape typically attributed to? Maguindanao?

Anyone familiar with Okir? The carving style looks unfamiliar to me but admittedly as little my eyes are trained to see the subtleties in blade shapes, they are even less attuned to recognize Okir.
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Old 28th October 2011, 07:33 AM   #3
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My careful guess is that this kris has a broken tip that is reshaped into a dagger like tip. Still a very nice piece.
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Old 28th October 2011, 11:29 AM   #4
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A very very very rare Moro Sabre.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...light=rare+moro

It has been a very long time since I read Cato so I can not rememeber if these are mentioned...anyone care to comment?
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Old 28th October 2011, 03:21 PM   #5
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Yes this is a kris varient. I agree that the trunk looks like the Maguindanao cross over type but the scabbard looks more Sulu. Not unheard of to do trade between the groups.
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Old 28th October 2011, 05:19 PM   #6
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I think that this shape was made a purpose rather than reshaped .
The fuller curves up at the point .

I envy the owner .
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Old 28th October 2011, 11:37 PM   #7
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PERHAPS THE SWORD TIP IS MODELED AFTER THE JAPANESE SWORD POINT.?

EITHER WAY A NICE AND RARE VARIATION OF KRIS.
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Old 29th October 2011, 12:12 AM   #8
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It is visually stunning, isn't it?

Any ideas, theories, or speculations as to what influenced this particular form? I like the above comparison of the asymmetrical profile/grind of the blade tip to the kissaki of a Japanese sword. Similar profiles were also found on swords from Dynastic China and Korea.
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Old 29th October 2011, 12:44 AM   #9
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It is visually stunning, isn't it?

Any ideas, theories, or speculations as to what influenced this particular form? I like the above comparison of the asymmetrical profile/grind of the blade tip to the kissaki of a Japanese sword. Similar profiles were also found on swords from Dynastic China and Korea.


Reminds me a bit of a sailor's cutlass .
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Old 29th October 2011, 01:47 AM   #10
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Reminds me a bit of a sailor's cutlass .


Indeed it does... Now when I stare at it, it's like the kris variant of this:

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Old 29th October 2011, 04:17 AM   #11
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Interesting piece
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Old 29th October 2011, 11:42 AM   #12
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Actually I'm surprised pics of this have not turned up on here yet.



When I remember correct there have been a thread before where was shown a kris with the same shape/tip. But can't remember when and where.

But did someone have seen before something like this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...em=250919366807
The kris was listed at 27.10.11 and ended early at 28.10.11, I was the first bidder but I think that someone did a a deal with the seller.

Any comments?

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Old 29th October 2011, 12:15 PM   #13
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Sajen-Thanks for posting the link. With another forum member, we have seen and handled one very similar. The one you posted seems to be missing it's pommel. The one we handled had a ivory Kakatua. It was very graceful with a flexy blade. My thoughts are that the one we handled was a captured Euro., blade modified by a Panday (added the elephant trunk, ganya..). This one you posted is the 2nd one I've ever seen.

I'll post the link later, unless someone beats me to it
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Old 29th October 2011, 12:32 PM   #14
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Sajen-Thanks for posting the link. With another forum member, we have seen and handled one very similar. The one you posted seems to be missing it's pommel. The one we handled had a ivory Kakatua. It was very graceful with a flexy blade. My thoughts are that the one we handled was a captured Euro., blade modified by a Panday (added the elephant trunk, ganya..). This one you posted is the 2nd one I've ever seen.

I'll post the link later, unless someone beats me to it


Hello Kino,

yes, the seller write in his description: "The pommel piece is missing"

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Old 30th October 2011, 10:24 AM   #15
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There's a similar piece from the Burke Museum in Seattle. The link to the photo album is here.
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Old 30th October 2011, 10:52 AM   #16
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An awesome example, thanks for sharing.
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Old 30th October 2011, 12:24 PM   #17
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Another very interesting transitional form from Holstein's catalogue, twistcore. Perhaps somebody who owns a better copy could post it oncemore?
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Old 30th October 2011, 01:30 PM   #18
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A quick scan and edit...a little more defined....
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Old 30th October 2011, 03:51 PM   #19
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MiguelDiaz thanks for posting the photo and the link.
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Old 30th October 2011, 04:21 PM   #20
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Indeed it does... Now when I stare at it, it's like the kris variant of this:



I must be a dull fellow .

This went right over my head .....
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Old 30th October 2011, 05:21 PM   #21
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This went right over my head .....


Just as the picture resolves itself into both a beautiful young woman and an old hag, I see an E. Asian influence in the blade one minute, a European cutlass the next...
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Old 30th October 2011, 06:17 PM   #22
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Ahhh, finally I see it !
Thank you Ibrahiim .
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Old 1st November 2011, 11:13 PM   #23
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The sabre kris is very, very high on my short aquisition list. Having handled one, it truely sings in the hand.
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Old 14th December 2011, 03:31 PM   #25
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Hmmm....the museum dates this last one as "Early 20th Century". Does that date seem a bit off to anyone else?
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Old 14th December 2011, 03:48 PM   #26
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thanks, gustav, for the links! i can see in the pic of the museum catalogue pages (example below) that they have lots of barungs and moro spears. how does one access the pics of those?
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Old 14th December 2011, 08:22 PM   #27
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Hello Migueldiaz, just put "Barong" in the search box (left side):

http://anthro.amnh.org/asia
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Old 14th December 2011, 10:55 PM   #28
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Hello Gustav. Many thanks!
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Old 15th December 2011, 01:54 AM   #29
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Hmmm....the museum dates this last one as "Early 20th Century". Does that date seem a bit off to anyone else?

I'm with you on that. Perhaps more accurately the period when they were collected........

Yes thanks Gustav.
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Old 1st May 2012, 02:56 AM   #30
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A rare moro kris sabre was sold in an auction this morning.
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