Spanish Morocco Berber sword

mahratt · 30th October 2018, 04:19 AM

Hi guys. Who knows what name the local tribes gave these swords?

Helleri · 30th October 2018, 04:39 AM

...When the hilt is just right.

TVV · 30th October 2018, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

Hi guys. Who knows what name the local tribes gave these swords?

I believe people in what is nowadays the Dominican Republic, where these are from, simply called them machete. Tirri is great for providing examples of weapons, but completely unreliable for identification purposes.

mahratt · 30th October 2018, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

I believe people in what is nowadays the Dominican Republic, where these are from, simply called them machete. Tirri is great for providing examples of weapons, but completely unreliable for identification purposes.

Thank you very much! Are there photos of people from the Dominican Republic with such swords in their hands?

Kubur · 30th October 2018, 07:53 AM

Well I disagree
Tirri was sometimes wrong.
His book is huge, please count the good ID and the wrong ID and give me a ratio.
I think he was right 80% of the time.
These swords were produced in the Dominican and in South Morocco, both under Spanish influence. I think yours is from South Morocco.

mahratt · 30th October 2018, 08:44 AM

I think a photo of a berber from Morocco or a man from Dominican Republic with such a sword would be the deciding factor.

midelburgo · 30th October 2018, 10:31 AM

It is unusual to find examples of that machete in Spanish museums, I have not seen them in the Museum of America or the Ethnological Museum. But you can find a plethora of Moroccan weapons in the last one. Dominica became independent before the development of that kind of machete (they asked again to be part of Spain in the late 1850s for a short period).

I believe those blades have nothing to do with North Africa. And there is no utility as a tool there, either.

mahratt · 30th October 2018, 01:31 PM

Dear forum members, I understand that everyone has their own opinions

I hope that someone has an old photo of people with this weapon.

Will M · 31st October 2018, 04:03 AM

The blade has a Solingen makers mark of Bleckmann (bow with BM).
The blade profile resembles the British 1796 light cavalry. Later British India used very similar blades though heavier on swords circ. 1860 and later.

30th October 2018, 04:19 AM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Spanish Morocco Berber sword Hi guys. Who knows what name the local tribes gave these swords? Attached Images

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midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 248	It is unusual to find examples of that machete in Spanish museums, I have not seen them in the Museum of America or the Ethnological Museum. But you can find a plethora of Moroccan weapons in the last one. Dominica became independent before the development of that kind of machete (they asked again to be part of Spain in the late 1850s for a short period). I believe those blades have nothing to do with North Africa. And there is no utility as a tool there, either. Last edited by midelburgo; 30th October 2018 at 11:05 AM.

30th October 2018, 04:39 AM	#2
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Boulder Creek, CA. Posts: 202	...When the hilt is just right.

30th October 2018, 07:53 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Well I disagree Tirri was sometimes wrong. His book is huge, please count the good ID and the wrong ID and give me a ratio. I think he was right 80% of the time. These swords were produced in the Dominican and in South Morocco, both under Spanish influence. I think yours is from South Morocco.

30th October 2018, 08:44 AM	#6
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I think a photo of a berber from Morocco or a man from Dominican Republic with such a sword would be the deciding factor.

30th October 2018, 01:31 PM	#8
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Dear forum members, I understand that everyone has their own opinions I hope that someone has an old photo of people with this weapon.

31st October 2018, 04:03 AM	#9
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 390	The blade has a Solingen makers mark of Bleckmann (bow with BM). The blade profile resembles the British 1796 light cavalry. Later British India used very similar blades though heavier on swords circ. 1860 and later.