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Old 25th May 2015, 05:08 PM   #1
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Got that interesting piece recently.

What it is exactly?

Lenght 65 cm.
Hollow construction, but quite heavy.
It has a drilled hole on the heft, perhaps a later addition.

I would like to know the origin of the piece. Is it european? Seems so, but I saw very similiar indopersian or turkish pieces.

Any opinions?
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Old 25th May 2015, 05:17 PM   #2
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looks very heavy - have you weighed it? the perspective may be making it look heavier thanit is. like the re-enforced points.

i'd hate to have to swing that more than a few times, my enemy would just push me over and poke me with something sharp. my few maces are under a kilo (2.2 lbs)
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Old 25th May 2015, 06:26 PM   #3
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These maces, even with a hollow haft, can be rather heavy. There is a variety of examples in the Wallace Collection, with seven flanges head sets and hafts with a length similar to the one posted, weighing between 1,260 and 1,540 grams.
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Old 25th May 2015, 09:02 PM   #4
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It would be European or a copy in style of.

The hole would be correct but it seems the later examples have it too.

How are the flanges attached? They should each be inserted in to individual slots.

Does the haft have a seam that runs longways? Most (I dont know if all) hafts were rolled into a cylinder from a flat piece resulting in a lengthwise seam.

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Old 27th May 2015, 03:56 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Valjhun
Got that interesting piece recently.

What it is exactly?

Lenght 65 cm.
Hollow construction, but quite heavy.
It has a drilled hole on the heft, perhaps a later addition.

I would like to know the origin of the piece. Is it european? Seems so, but I saw very similiar indopersian or turkish pieces.

Any opinions?


Salaams Valjhun....Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_weapons There is a mace in this form on that page. Ottoman.
There is another at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...lace+Collection at post #50 also Ottoman.
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Old 27th May 2015, 04:25 PM   #6
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lots of gorgeous weapons in those links. way above my paygrade.

the 3 'ottoman flanged maces' in the wiki link remind me of my more mundain 'onion' headed steel mace: (top - or left)

i gather you mean the gold one (bottom - or right) which looks very similar to the slightly more distressed one originally posted. i not it does not appear to have the re-inforced points to the flanges - i would guess it was not expected the owner would ever need to actually use it. he must have had people to do that for him so he wouldn't have to.
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Old 27th May 2015, 06:00 PM   #7
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Some examples-

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv...&db=kat56_p.txt

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv...&db=kat56_p.txt

The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong.
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Some examples-

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv...&db=kat56_p.txt

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv...&db=kat56_p.txt

The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong.



Salaams CSinTX, Spot on Sir !

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Old 11th June 2015, 10:20 AM   #9
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Hello,

Thank you for your replies.

The mace weights a little less than 2kg.

The flanges are attached correctly, each inserted to its individual slot.
The reiforced points are also attached individually

No lenghtwise seam visible on the haft, there is some copper soldering visible at the pommel.

The mace is incredibly similar to the one from HH, postet above.
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