DOEHOENG KASOENDAN (A Soenda Perspective)

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by jagabuwana

Wowzer that last one is just about as long as I've seen any keris. Can you tell us anything more about it?
Interesting handle too - what's the material?

Hullo jagabuwana,

This may help:

Desc: Doehoeng Soember (bangkinang variant)
Char: Oepih-rai moentir, djanoer mentjar
Blade: LxOALxWxT=56x67x7.15x1.49cm.
Handle: Green-horn malati-motif w/ white-metal seloet
Wt: 462g.
Sheath: Wood majang w/ green-horn toe

Best,

[David]

Originally Posted by jagabuwana

Wowzer that last one is just about as long as I've seen any keris.

According to Amuk's specs that keris panjang seems to be 56 cm. Pretty long, but not unheard of. Thought you might want another look at mine. It's blade is 58 cm, though i would not be surprised to find an even longer one.
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...hlight=panjang

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo everybody!

Doing some 'spring-cleaning'. Thought the following may be of interest.

Best,

[Jean]

Thank you Amuk, I guess that "landean" designates the hilt (landeyan in Madura), what does PwahAtji mean?
Regards

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Jean

Thank you Amuk, I guess that "landean" designates the hilt (landeyan in Madura), what does PwahAtji mean?
Regards

Hullo Jean,

- landean/landéan/landeyan/landaian are the same, just different spelling/accent (c.f. apotheek/apotek/apoték/ apotik =apothecary/pharmacy); means handle.
- PwahAtji literally means “celestial and inconceivable/unimaginable” i.e. the ultimate essence beyond our ken.

Best,

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Jean

. ..... This type of hilt is .....
. This style of pendok overlapping on the atasan is fequently seen these days .....

Hullo Jean,

I've changed the hilt for a 'more appropriate' one. Hope it's pleasing.
I've also attached pics of similar oversheaths from 18thC-early19thC. One was a present from Hamengkoeboewono.

Best,

[Jean]

Hello Amuk,
Beautiful pieces, thank you!
The silver hilt on the first pic is in coteng style from Patani (Thailand) so not very suitable with this Cirebon kris IMO?
Regards

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Amuk,
Beautiful pieces, thank you!
The silver hilt on the first pic is in coteng style from Patani (Thailand) so not very suitable with this Cirebon kris IMO?
Regards

Hullo Jean,

You may be right, but I believe itto be northern coast of western Java.

Best,

[David]

Hi Amuk. Why do you believe the hilt you have placed on this keris originated on the North Coast of Western Jawa? It clearly appears to be a coteng hilt.
Do you have some provenance for this assertion. Though i believe many people have traced the evolutionary origin of coteng and tajong hilts back to Jawa the primogenitor hilts that are usually pointed to are not the fully developed coteng or tajong forms. But if you could show evidence that such hilts did exist in Jawa back then you would have an important discovery.

[Jean]

This piece may be a javanese copy of a tajong hilt, see the hatched decoration especially.

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

This piece may be a javanese copy of a tajong hilt, see the hatched decoration especially.

Possibly. I honestly cannot judge from this one photograph. But even if made in Java to would not have been made for a Javanese keris and i am sure you agree that it is stylistically incorrect for this ensemble. While some culturally mixed keris ensembles may well have some legitimacy in ethnographic usage i would have a hard time seeing this mix of Javanese and Peninsula styles finding social acceptability in either culture.