Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Keris Warung Kopi

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 28th November 2007, 04:19 AM   #1
ferrylaki
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 285
Default Keris from Jogjakarta

As requested by Ganjawulung, I post this keris once more.
Dhapur : Jalak Ngore keris
Pamor : Kulit semangka
warangka : Gayaman Jogjakarta/ Wood????
Handle : Kemuning wood
Pendok : brass
mendak : silver with yakut stones???
Attached Images
      
ferrylaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th November 2007, 07:56 AM   #2
Marcokeris
Member
 
Marcokeris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Italy
Posts: 928
Default

Gayaman wood seems old sandal wood. Stones seeem yakut indeed.
Marcokeris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th November 2007, 09:42 AM   #3
ferrylaki
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 285
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Gayaman wood seems old sandal wood. Stones seeem yakut indeed.

how about the iron?
ferrylaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th November 2007, 10:48 AM   #4
Marcokeris
Member
 
Marcokeris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Italy
Posts: 928
Default

About iron i don't know. Mr. Ganjawulung or Mr. Maisey could do it in the right way.
Marco
Marcokeris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th November 2007, 02:09 PM   #5
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Gayaman wood seems old sandal wood. Stones seeem yakut indeed.
How can you tell they are yakut just from the photo? They look like they could be quartz crystal just as easily. Or is yakut just a different name for quartz. I have always understood it to refer to low quality diamonds, but when i google it (yakut gemstone) i find no reference to diamond (except on account that diamonds where once mined in Yakutia). In some places it refers to a form of sapphire. In other places it is a ruby. Both of these are corundums, not diamonds. I understand that in Turkish it simply means gemstone.
I have a feeling that very often simple quartz crystal is passed off as "yakut". Is this the same as garnet being accepted as a form of ruby in this area? Can anyone tell me exactly what they are supposed to be in Indonesia in regards to keris?
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th November 2007, 03:16 PM   #6
Marcokeris
Member
 
Marcokeris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Italy
Posts: 928
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
How can you tell they are yakut just from the photo? They look like they could be quartz crystal just as easily. Or is yakut just a different name for quartz. I have always understood it to refer to low quality diamonds, but when i google it (yakut gemstone) i find no reference to diamond (except on account that diamonds where once mined in Yakutia). In some places it refers to a form of sapphire. In other places it is a ruby. Both of these are corundums, not diamonds. I understand that in Turkish it simply means gemstone.
I have a feeling that very often simple quartz crystal is passed off as "yakut". Is this the same as garnet being accepted as a form of ruby in this area? Can anyone tell me exactly what they are supposed to be in Indonesia in regards to keris?
Sorry David you are right.
I have alwawys considered yakut as simple quartz stone.
Low class diamonds are a different reflection/refraction: much more active (light's game seems to come from inside the stone)
On the contrary Zircon's light seems to me cold and unreal (too much cut sides on the stone)
Marcokeris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th November 2007, 06:43 PM   #7
A. G. Maisey
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,675
Default

David, these stones are yakut.

Yakut is rose-cut rock crystal.

The low quality diamonds that they use in Indonesia are called "inten", or
"intan" in Jawa. They are much, much more expensive than yakut.

Regarding red stones, "mirah" are properly rubies, but the fact of the matter is that in the markets the sellers will call just about any red stone "mirah".

Ferry, I cannot really comment on the iron from a photo.

Would it be possible to provide a photo looking straight down onto the sirah cecak?
A. G. Maisey is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 29th November 2007, 01:07 AM   #8
ferrylaki
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 285
Default sirah cecak

Quote:
Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
David, these stones are yakut.

Yakut is rose-cut rock crystal.

The low quality diamonds that they use in Indonesia are called "inten", or
"intan" in Jawa. They are much, much more expensive than yakut.

Regarding red stones, "mirah" are properly rubies, but the fact of the matter is that in the markets the sellers will call just about any red stone "mirah".

Ferry, I cannot really comment on the iron from a photo.

Would it be possible to provide a photo looking straight down onto the sirah cecak?
How about this picture?
it is a blur picture since lack of light.
I'll try for another shot.
Attached Images
 
ferrylaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th November 2007, 05:12 AM   #9
ganjawulung
Member
 
ganjawulung's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrylaki
As requested by Ganjawulung, I post this keris once more.
Dhapur : Jalak Ngore keris
Pamor : Kulit semangka
warangka : Gayaman Jogjakarta/ Wood????
Handle : Kemuning wood
Pendok : brass
mendak : silver with yakut stones???
Dear Ferry,

On mendhak, I would suggest you to change with Jogjanese mendhak. If I'm not mistaken, your mendhak is Solonese type of "kendhit" mendhak. Not Jogjanese "kendhit". Your handle (hilt) is Jogjanese...
That's just my humble opinion, Fer...

Ganjawulung
ganjawulung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th November 2007, 05:25 AM   #10
ferrylaki
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 285
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ganjawulung
Dear Ferry,

On mendhak, I would suggest you to change with Jogjanese mendhak. If I'm not mistaken, your mendhak is Solonese type of "kendhit" mendhak. Not Jogjanese "kendhit". Your handle (hilt) is Jogjanese...
That's just my humble opinion, Fer...

Ganjawulung
Oups....I know the mendak is wrong.
Will chang it soon.
ferrylaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th November 2007, 03:17 PM   #11
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
David, these stones are yakut.

Yakut is rose-cut rock crystal.

The low quality diamonds that they use in Indonesia are called "inten", or
"intan" in Jawa. They are much, much more expensive than yakut.

Regarding red stones, "mirah" are properly rubies, but the fact of the matter is that in the markets the sellers will call just about any red stone "mirah".
Thanks for clearing up my confusion on this one. I guess i had thought "yakut" and "inten" were different word for the same think.
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th November 2007, 07:23 AM   #12
A. G. Maisey
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,675
Default

Thanks Ferry. That pic is good enough for my purposes. I was curious as to how rounded it might have been. Thanks.---alan.
A. G. Maisey is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.