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Old 18th January 2019, 03:10 AM   #1
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Default Bavarian Pistol Set

Have a chance to pick this set up, but need some price opinions please. Bavarian, by Christoph Kuchenreuter, of the famous gun making family. Condition is very good to excellent, although there is only 1 stock for the 2 pistols..... designed that way ? Or has one missing over the years ??
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Old 18th January 2019, 12:25 PM   #2
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In my modest opinion, since the two weapons are scratched (as evidenced by the accessory to cut the patch, the wooden mallet) the stock was movable, and could be used in either of the two weapons, and placed in one once the other one had fired, like a short rifle

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Old 18th January 2019, 03:49 PM   #3
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Hello Fernando,

I don't collect fire arms, but it seems a very nice set of pistols, i'am curious how much is the value of a kit like that one too!

They seem prepared to be used, have you tried to shoot any of your firearms ?

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Old 18th January 2019, 03:54 PM   #4
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Hello Fernando,

I don't collect fire arms, but it seems a very nice set of pistols, i'am curious how much is the value of a kit like that one too!

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Have you not read my editing note in post #1, Bruno ? .

"No money appraisals in discussion forums. Please do it by PM"
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Old 18th January 2019, 04:18 PM   #5
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Have you not read my editing note in post #1, Bruno ? .

"No money appraisals in discussion forums. Please do it by PM"


are you seeing any money appraisal Fernando ? i just said i'am curious too... is this forum becoming a fascism forum ?
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Old 18th January 2019, 04:55 PM   #6
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are you seeing any money appraisal Fernando ? i just said i'am curious too...
... is this forum becoming a fascism forum ?

I guess you did not get it, Bruno; maybe my wrong transmission. Rikkn had originally asked for a money evaluation in his first post (which is not allowed, if you read the forum rules), reason why i edited it with the note i was now quoting.
In answering to your second paragraph, i will do it by PM.



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Old 18th January 2019, 05:24 PM   #7
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Fernando is correct Bruno, I did ask for opinions on how much I should pay for them.
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Old 18th January 2019, 07:08 PM   #8
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That is a very nice cased pair of pistols, in apparently superb condition by an excellent maker(from Regensburg). The single stock is correct and the lack of any visible empty slots suggests that the set is complete with all its accoutrements, which is often not the case. I hope you manage to acquire them.
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Old 18th January 2019, 11:42 PM   #9
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OK,,,, I got them. Not sure if a good deal or not, but I am happy !! Just finished playing with them, wiped them down lightly as they were coated with vasoline ! I will have to do a much better cleaning someday. The detail on them is spectacular, as is the wood. They also have adjustable triggers and do not appear ever to have been fired. One of the tools I cannot figure out - looks like some kind of puller (?). Any idea what the opaque material is that was used on the flask ? Here are more pictures.
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... One of the tools I cannot figure out - looks like some kind of puller (?)...

Can you point out which one you are referring to ?

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Any idea what the opaque material is that was used on the flask ?

Grease ... to falicitate the bullet introduction ...
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Old 19th January 2019, 10:34 AM   #11
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Member 'adrian' is a tool expert; if only he was around ...
... Magnificent set, by the way

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Doesn't tool ??? have a sharp circular edge ? A patch cutter, that would be ...
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Old 19th January 2019, 10:52 AM   #13
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It is a main spring clamp !
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It is a main spring clamp !



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OK,,,, I got them. Not sure if a good deal or not, but I am happy !! Just finished playing with them, wiped them down lightly as they were coated with vasoline ! I will have to do a much better cleaning someday. The detail on them is spectacular, as is the wood. They also have adjustable triggers and do not appear ever to have been fired. One of the tools I cannot figure out - looks like some kind of puller (?). Any idea what the opaque material is that was used on the flask ? Here are more pictures.


Im certainly no expert but Id say the opaque material on the powder flask is horn.
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If you're happy then you got a good deal.

Were these meant for dueling do you think?
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Im certainly no expert but Id say the opaque material on the powder flask is horn.

Oh, silly me .
I misinterpreted Rikkn's question on this one.


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As both pistols have a set trigger and because of the separate butt these are certainly no duelling pistols but are made for the shooting range.
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As both pistols have a set trigger and because of the separate butt these are certainly no duelling pistols but are made for the shooting range.
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Naturally; neither the mounting stock would be applicable.That would be cheating .
On the other hand, such 'composite' set only for target shooting, is a bit unorthodox, don't you think ?
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Why not shoot with the stock attached? It certainly depended on the rules given at the range and the kind of competition - the same as today
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The way i view it, one either enters a shooting contest for the hand guns discipline or for that of the shoulder arms or, if he registers for both, he would take with him distinct equipment to the shooting club. I never thought of a competitor enter a tournament for target pistol and later in the day switch to a musket shooting session by adding a stock extension to his pistol/s.
But make no great deal of what i am saying; i may be talking nonsense .
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That's no nonsense, tha's correct
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Well, have had fun displaying this set !!

Thanks for all the comments guys !!!



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Congratulations. Such a beautiful - and complete set. As good as I've seen.

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They seem prepared to be used, have you tried to shoot any of your firearms ?

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Bruno, I should hope he doesn't plan to. Another post on this thread commented that these guns look like they are unfired. The thing about flintlocks is that each and every time the cock (bearing a flint in its jaws) rakes against the frizzen as it snaps forward, tiny little incandescent particles of steel are scraped off the frizzen's surface. These hot specks of metal are the sparks that ignite the priming. Contact with the flint leaves gouge marks on the frizzen face, something you won't see on an unfired gun. Most collectors put a high premium on all aspects of a gun's state of preservation, so you can imagine what such signs of wear would do to its desirability and thus market value of an otherwise excellently-preserved example.

Fortunately for those of us who like to shoot, some good quality reproductions of antique flintlocks and other types of guns are made, and for the most part affordably priced, at least quite a bit less than an original in pristine original condition.

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