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Old 8th July 2018, 01:28 PM   #1
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My son's just messaged me with these pictures of a sword that he picked up for a song in a junk shop while holidaying in Cornwall, England. Apologies for the quality of the photos. My first thought was some sort of klewang but he says it's well balanced with the weight not towards the tip. Any advice would be gratefully received.
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Old 8th July 2018, 10:31 PM   #2
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Hullo DaveF,

Karit Ilang from northern Kalamantan highlands.
Handle: toenan, gegkem belawan, oeloeh teloengan betjoek.

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Old 8th July 2018, 11:34 PM   #3
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Hello Dave,

I would call it a sangkit from the Murut people, Northern Borneo, see for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=murut & http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sangkit
I think Amuk mean the same. Very good catch!

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Old 9th July 2018, 12:15 AM   #4
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Hullo DaveF,

Karit Ilang from northern Kalamantan highlands.
Handle: toenan, gegkem belawan, oeloeh teloengan betjoek.

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Thanks for that, Amuk. I'm assuming "toenan" means "handle". Any chance you could clarify what "gegkem belawan, oeloeh teloengan betjoek" mean?

Thanks again for your help.

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Hello Dave,

I would call it a sangkit from the Murut people, Northern Borneo, see for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=murut & http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sangkit
I think Amuk mean the same. Very good catch!

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Thanks Detlef. The handles on the swords in the link really are a clincher!

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Old 9th July 2018, 03:52 AM   #6
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Thanks for that, Amuk. I'm assuming "toenan" means "handle". Any chance you could clarify what "gegkem belawan, oeloeh teloengan betjoek" mean?

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Hullo Dave,

Ref. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...418#post231418

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Thanks again Amuk and Detlef for your help with identification. In trying to reconcile the two terms "Karit Ilang" and "Sangkit", would I be correct in assuming that the term Karit Ilang comes from the language of the Lun Bawang who, according to wikipedia, used to be wrongly called Murut by the Brits, whereas Murut is a general term for a broader ethnic group related to the Lun Bawang and the word Sangkit comes from a different Murut language? Would this specific form of pedang be exclusively from the Lun Bawang or from a number of different Murut/Lun Bawang ethnic groups? Maybe things were more fluid and I'm trying to draw lines where there aren't any?

Either way, when I get hold of the blade I'll post some better pictures up on the linked threads.
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Hi Amuk,

Thanks for the link.

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...Lun Bawang who, according to wikipedia, used to be wrongly called Murut by the Brits, whereas Murut is a general term for a broader ethnic group related to the Lun Bawang.
Hello Dave, can't answer your question, Dayak, Maurice and others are maybe able to answer your question but to my knowledge are the Murut and Lun Bawang are two different ethnic groups.

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Thanks again for your help, Detlef. I guess for now I'll call it a sangkit/karit ilang.
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Thanks again Amuk and Detlef for your help with identification. In trying to reconcile the two terms "Karit Ilang" and "Sangkit", would I be correct in assuming that the term Karit Ilang comes from the language of the Lun Bawang who, according to wikipedia, used to be wrongly called Murut by the Brits, whereas Murut is a general term for a broader ethnic group related to the Lun Bawang and the word Sangkit comes from a different Murut language? Would this specific form of pedang be exclusively from the Lun Bawang or from a number of different Murut/Lun Bawang ethnic groups? Maybe things were more fluid and I'm trying to draw lines where there aren't any?

Either way, when I get hold of the blade I'll post some better pictures up on the linked threads.
Hullo Dave,

'Karit Ilang' is a term familiar to the LoenBawang-Loendajeuh-Kelabit.
Also, I am reassured that to them, 'Moeroet' is an exonym.
The Loen Bawang, in particular, find the term offensive.

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Old 14th July 2018, 01:13 PM   #12
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Hi Amuk,

Very interesting article on blogtau.com related to the picture you posted. Thanks for that.

Do you know what the carved handle represents?

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Hi Amuk,

Very interesting article on blogtau.com related to the picture you posted. Thanks for that.

Do you know what the carved handle represents?

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Hullo again Dave,

..... mentioned in my ref., post re: Special Karit

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Hullo again Dave,

..... mentioned in my ref., post re: Special Karit

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Ah, the pitcher plant! Thanks again Amuk.
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