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A DISTANT MIRROR, by Barbara Tuchman, 1978, concerns the de Coucy family.
It's quite detailed; perhaps it can offer some insight. |
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Thanks for your replies and the book tip!
As the Seine also crosses Paris, I think it is possible that it was found somewhere in this area as Paris was already the capital in medieval ages, although the linear distance is ~100 km. It also seems that the plaque was removed from where ever it was attached forcefully... I found an interesting similar piece on the internet: https://www.pinterest.de/pin/365213851005646944/ http://www.la-detection.com/dp/message-2902.htm Best regards Andreas |
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Perhaps a bit too large for a vervelle.
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Or maybe a horse trapping
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But on the examples I´ve found so far the shields were made from textile / embroided. Which makes more practical sense in my eyes than stitching a metal shield on it as you also mentioned. I´ve found some examples of very huge horse harness pendants (eg: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collec...70010723?img=0 ) but it is still a pendant, not an applique. What you interpret as letters, Fernando, is just irregularities in the material. Actually I think that this red material is maybe a later replacement to lost enamel and maybe seal lacquer or so I´ve also postet it in a forum specialized in archaeological medieval findings and there it was stated that it is an authentic piece from 13th century. So it likely could be linked to the period of Enguerrand IV - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enguerrand_IV_de_Coucy Appart from dating it there was also no clue about what it could have been exactly for Last edited by AHorsa; 23rd September 2020 at 03:41 PM. |
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I guess many reasons could originate its falling off. If in fact it was an implement adorning any part of a knight's personal ot horse's gear, it could have been ripped out while in combat. On the other hand, we can't exclude the possibility that, wherever it was riveted, belt, harness, box, armor, uniform, someone took it off ... and temporarily keep it as a trophy. |
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Are theses letters ... or is it only my imagination ?
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