Panama Macana sword

Tim Simmons · 17th April 2012, 07:18 PM

Lucky, this stuff, nobody likes but me. So it is usually cheap except for shipping and customs taxes. You know I like the odd stuff. Get a few odd bits together and the madness starts to make sense. Not "antique" but not new either and the 20th century was 100 years long. The word MACANA is a general term. The indigenus peoples of Panama were influenced by both the north and the south. The Macana is a weapon but there are also ritual forms used by shaman. That is what I think I have here. It might not be a true weapon but it is certainly not a toy.

fearn · 18th April 2012, 12:54 AM

Great! What are the IDs on the others again?

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Tim Simmons · 24th April 2012, 06:04 PM

This link shows a large version. An illustration of the influence from the southern continent. Lots to explore?

http://www.orinoco.org/apg/locollite...d=2438&lang=es

KuKulzA28 · 25th April 2012, 04:33 AM

You aren't the only one into these weapons... I just haven't found any!

I have often wondered at pictures of wooden swords from the Americas that seem to not have usable handles... maybe those are for ritual or some other purpose than fighting.

colin henshaw · 26th April 2012, 08:13 AM

Hi

The two items on the left, I think are parts of a loom (weaving machine), that are used to push back the weave. The third from the left I don't know, but first on the right is a nice Melanesian club (New Guinea/ Solomons ?)

Tim Simmons · 26th April 2012, 04:08 PM

Yes I have had the same thoughts to the point where I settled on the second from the left being an African weavers sword but after more conversation and looking I do think it may be a weapon. I will post more pictures but there is a thread on it. You will see that is has the same binding marks on it as the item in this link.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=maori

However I am always open to suggestions especially with some back up. I need to show you more views of the macana it is an inch thick which seems over kill when you think of the size of loom it would be used on.

The picture is of three examples of the 4th from the left. Taken from "The Art of the Boiken, Michael Hamson" It is not heavy like a club half an inch thick. Desribed as fighting swords, I would not want one pushed into my face or chest with anger.

Tim Simmons · 18th May 2012, 05:04 PM

Just thought I would add this link. A Colombian Shamans curing wand/sword. Third item, picture on the left sadly it will not expand. Sorry it can be enlarged but you still cannot see a great deal but you can just make out a similar handle end.
http://www.spurlock.uiuc.edu/vtour/a...man_right.html

KuKulzA28 · 19th May 2012, 01:38 AM

the "macana sword club"
That looks like what is normally attributed as a paddle-warclub...

are all wooden clubs called macanas?

Tim Simmons · 19th May 2012, 06:17 AM

That is not the item I want to point out in the link. The item in the link is before you scroll to that type of Macana paddle club. The picture I mean is on the left, under the the words canoe stool. It just looks like a dark brown line but if you magnify you will see what I want to illustrate.

17th April 2012, 07:18 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Panama Macana sword Lucky, this stuff, nobody likes but me. So it is usually cheap except for shipping and customs taxes. You know I like the odd stuff. Get a few odd bits together and the madness starts to make sense. Not "antique" but not new either and the 20th century was 100 years long. The word MACANA is a general term. The indigenus peoples of Panama were influenced by both the north and the south. The Macana is a weapon but there are also ritual forms used by shaman. That is what I think I have here. It might not be a true weapon but it is certainly not a toy. Attached Images

24th April 2012, 06:04 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	This link shows a large version. An illustration of the influence from the southern continent. Lots to explore? http://www.orinoco.org/apg/locollite...d=2438&lang=es Last edited by Tim Simmons; 24th April 2012 at 06:18 PM.

26th April 2012, 04:08 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Yes I have had the same thoughts to the point where I settled on the second from the left being an African weavers sword but after more conversation and looking I do think it may be a weapon. I will post more pictures but there is a thread on it. You will see that is has the same binding marks on it as the item in this link. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=maori However I am always open to suggestions especially with some back up. I need to show you more views of the macana it is an inch thick which seems over kill when you think of the size of loom it would be used on. The picture is of three examples of the 4th from the left. Taken from "The Art of the Boiken, Michael Hamson" It is not heavy like a club half an inch thick. Desribed as fighting swords, I would not want one pushed into my face or chest with anger. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 26th April 2012 at 04:21 PM. Reason: adding

18th May 2012, 05:04 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Just thought I would add this link. A Colombian Shamans curing wand/sword. Third item, picture on the left sadly it will not expand. Sorry it can be enlarged but you still cannot see a great deal but you can just make out a similar handle end. http://www.spurlock.uiuc.edu/vtour/a...man_right.html Last edited by Tim Simmons; 18th May 2012 at 07:31 PM. Reason: Spelling!!!!

18th April 2012, 12:54 AM	#2
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Great! What are the IDs on the others again? F

25th April 2012, 04:33 AM	#4
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	You aren't the only one into these weapons... I just haven't found any! I have often wondered at pictures of wooden swords from the Americas that seem to not have usable handles... maybe those are for ritual or some other purpose than fighting.

26th April 2012, 08:13 AM	#5
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Hi The two items on the left, I think are parts of a loom (weaving machine), that are used to push back the weave. The third from the left I don't know, but first on the right is a nice Melanesian club (New Guinea/ Solomons ?)

19th May 2012, 01:38 AM	#8
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	the "macana sword club" That looks like what is normally attributed as a paddle-warclub... are all wooden clubs called macanas?

19th May 2012, 06:17 AM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	That is not the item I want to point out in the link. The item in the link is before you scroll to that type of Macana paddle club. The picture I mean is on the left, under the the words canoe stool. It just looks like a dark brown line but if you magnify you will see what I want to illustrate.