Lopah Petawarans - Gayo or Batak

erikscollectables · 25th November 2009, 08:38 AM

I have two lopah's.
Unfortunately without the sheaths but I was happy to find them anyway...

My question is how do you disitnguish between Batak and Gayo pieces.
Based on really nothing at all my hypthesis is that the top one is Gayo and the bottom one is Batak.

Any input on this is welcome...
Also hints at relevant literature!

Regards, Erik

kai · 26th November 2009, 12:29 AM

Congrats, Erik, these are really nice!

From the style, I wouldn't exclude Aceh as origin of the upper one.

I believe I see why you think the slender one has Batak influence. I'm not prepared to narrow down its origins though since finding anything specific for one of the northern Batak groups seems tough, especially without scabbard. Also, I wouldn't rule out a Gayo origin (enough Batak influence there, too).

Regards,
Kai

erikscollectables · 26th November 2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

From the style, I wouldn't exclude Aceh as origin of the upper one.

Thanks, Kai

I see what you mean regarding Aceh style but from what I read in Zonneveld these weapons were not used in Aceh, only in Gayo and Batak area's...

Erik

Maurice · 14th December 2009, 02:35 PM

Hi Erik,

Can you tell me if the hilt material of the one below is akar bahar?

erikscollectables · 17th December 2009, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Erik,

Can you tell me if the hilt material of the one below is akar bahar?

Hi Maurice,

I do not kow how to be sure about this but it certainl could be the case.

Erik

Rick · 17th December 2009, 03:44 PM

That sure looks like Akar Bahar .
Tap it against the edge of your teeth; A.B. feels like stone , very hard .

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=akar+bahar

Also look for growth rings on exposed ends .

erikscollectables · 20th December 2009, 01:57 PM

Then it probably is akar bahar....
Much is covered but it feels as described.

Regards, Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

That sure looks like Akar Bahar .
Tap it against the edge of your teeth; A.B. feels like stone , very hard .

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=akar+bahar

Also look for growth rings on exposed ends .

25th November 2009, 08:38 AM	#1
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Lopah Petawarans - Gayo or Batak I have two lopah's. Unfortunately without the sheaths but I was happy to find them anyway... My question is how do you disitnguish between Batak and Gayo pieces. Based on really nothing at all my hypthesis is that the top one is Gayo and the bottom one is Batak. Any input on this is welcome... Also hints at relevant literature! Regards, Erik Attached Images

26th November 2009, 12:29 AM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,219	Congrats, Erik, these are really nice! From the style, I wouldn't exclude Aceh as origin of the upper one. I believe I see why you think the slender one has Batak influence. I'm not prepared to narrow down its origins though since finding anything specific for one of the northern Batak groups seems tough, especially without scabbard. Also, I wouldn't rule out a Gayo origin (enough Batak influence there, too). Regards, Kai

14th December 2009, 02:35 PM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	Hi Erik, Can you tell me if the hilt material of the one below is akar bahar?

17th December 2009, 03:44 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,263	That sure looks like Akar Bahar . Tap it against the edge of your teeth; A.B. feels like stone , very hard . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=akar+bahar Also look for growth rings on exposed ends .