Spanish or German

urbanspaceman · 8th April 2024, 09:59 PM

I have finally been able to photograph the (punzone?) on the English rapier blade marked Sebastien Hernandes.
I am sure one of you will be able to tell me, from this mark, if the blade is Spanish, or German using a Spanish name for prestige.

Peter Hudson · 8th April 2024, 11:47 PM

I had to look up Punzone. It means Stamp. Thats the noun anyway... Looking at the stamp Im totally flumoxed but now that I know what it means ... I will see what stamps I can identify... Regards Peter.

urbanspaceman · 8th April 2024, 11:51 PM

You're a poetic soul Peter, thank-you.

Peter Hudson · 9th April 2024, 12:15 AM

SEE http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...h+Blade+Stamps .....There are clues I suspect in posts 15 and 32.... possibly...Peter.

Jim McDougall · 9th April 2024, 03:12 AM

Looks like the 'anchor' device typically in fuller on early Spanish blades as would have been on Hernandez blades end of 16th also Tomas Aiala. It seems this one resembles one on a rapier of the Atocha wreck (1622).

Punzone is a makers stamp which usually occurs on the ricasso of Spanish rapier blades, which are recorded in a panel of these from Toledo by Palomares, who compiled these.

urbanspaceman · 9th April 2024, 10:36 AM

Hi Guys. The ricasso within the dish is very heavily coated in an accumulation of years, and quite black. On one side, the fuller continues, but on the other, is it quite flat and unless my eyes deceive me - yet again - there may be something under the deposit.
I am considering how to remove the muck without impacting on the metal: any suggestion born of experience will be gratefully received.

8th April 2024, 09:59 PM	#1
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 517	Spanish or German I have finally been able to photograph the (punzone?) on the English rapier blade marked Sebastien Hernandes. I am sure one of you will be able to tell me, from this mark, if the blade is Spanish, or German using a Spanish name for prestige. Attached Images

8th April 2024, 11:51 PM	#3
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 517	stumped You're a poetic soul Peter, thank-you.

9th April 2024, 03:12 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Looks like the 'anchor' device typically in fuller on early Spanish blades as would have been on Hernandez blades end of 16th also Tomas Aiala. It seems this one resembles one on a rapier of the Atocha wreck (1622). Punzone is a makers stamp which usually occurs on the ricasso of Spanish rapier blades, which are recorded in a panel of these from Toledo by Palomares, who compiled these. Attached Images

9th April 2024, 10:36 AM	#6
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 517	ricasso punzone Hi Guys. The ricasso within the dish is very heavily coated in an accumulation of years, and quite black. On one side, the fuller continues, but on the other, is it quite flat and unless my eyes deceive me - yet again - there may be something under the deposit. I am considering how to remove the muck without impacting on the metal: any suggestion born of experience will be gratefully received.

8th April 2024, 11:47 PM	#2
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 311	I had to look up Punzone. It means Stamp. Thats the noun anyway... Looking at the stamp Im totally flumoxed but now that I know what it means ... I will see what stamps I can identify... Regards Peter.

9th April 2024, 12:15 AM	#4
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 311	SEE http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...h+Blade+Stamps .....There are clues I suspect in posts 15 and 32.... possibly...Peter.