Question about XVIII - XIX spontoon

Pahouin · 4th March 2020, 12:11 AM

Hello again
I saw this type of spontoon listed some times as german, another as italian and even british, usually as sergeants or official spontoon of XVIII or XIX century.

Do you know something about it?
Thanks in advance

fernando · 4th March 2020, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pahouin

...I saw this type of spontoon listed some times as german, another as italian and even british ...

What about French, like this one in "Swords and Blades of the American Revolution", by Neumann ?

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corrado26 · 4th March 2020, 03:10 PM

I think this is a piece of historism. Original blades can normally be unscrewed from the socket and at the socket there are missing the long feathers (?) to fix the socket at the pole. These have never been there as far as I can see
corrado26

fernando · 4th March 2020, 04:12 PM

Spontoons are not battle weapons, Udo. Most of them don't have langets, but a little hole to fix them to the pole with a screw or a pin. And i suspect some don't even have such fixation, only a tight introduction; not sure.
You may have a look to Newmann's.

corrado26 · 4th March 2020, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Spontoons are not battle weapons, Udo. Most of them don't have langets, but a little hole to fix them to the pole with a screw or a pin. And i suspect some don't even have such fixation, only a tight introduction; not sure.
You may have a look to Newmann's.

I cannot believe this. Look at the fotos of some German spontoons, all with langets and they have been primarily a rank sign of seargents and secondly made for battle - at least in Germany.
corrado26

fernando · 4th March 2020, 05:38 PM

Thank you for your diplomatic candidness, Udo; feel free to doubt my words. Do i notice that some examles that you show are partisans ?
Well, even partisans don't have side straps (langets) some times; i have a beautiful Swedish example only held to the pole with a pin.
As i firsty asked; do you have Neumanns's work ? As i believe you are (much) younger than me, with your eyes you may better see a dozen non strapped examples, including a German one.

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4th March 2020, 12:11 AM	#1
Pahouin Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 14	Question about XVIII - XIX spontoon Hello again I saw this type of spontoon listed some times as german, another as italian and even british, usually as sergeants or official spontoon of XVIII or XIX century. Do you know something about it? Thanks in advance Attached Images

4th March 2020, 05:38 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Thank you for your diplomatic candidness, Udo; feel free to doubt my words. Do i notice that some examles that you show are partisans ? Well, even partisans don't have side straps (langets) some times; i have a beautiful Swedish example only held to the pole with a pin. As i firsty asked; do you have Neumanns's work ? As i believe you are (much) younger than me, with your eyes you may better see a dozen non strapped examples, including a German one. . Attached Images

4th March 2020, 03:10 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	I think this is a piece of historism. Original blades can normally be unscrewed from the socket and at the socket there are missing the long feathers (?) to fix the socket at the pole. These have never been there as far as I can see corrado26

4th March 2020, 04:12 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Spontoons are not battle weapons, Udo. Most of them don't have langets, but a little hole to fix them to the pole with a screw or a pin. And i suspect some don't even have such fixation, only a tight introduction; not sure. You may have a look to Newmann's.