A hunting knife for comments

fernando · 4th November 2021, 03:30 PM

I wonder if, by the pictures and details, you Gentlemen could tell me where this one comes from and its estimated age. In fact judging by the scabbard i would, within my limitations, place it in the (end)18th century. On the other hand, i see by some marks on the leather in that, the locket had a previous fixation, of one centimeter distant from the present one, which i would not assume this scabbard to be from a different knife but an 'elongation' of its length due to leather extreme shrinkage ... if you Gentlemen agree to that.
I am less surprised with the blade deep wide fuller than with is strong roundish back, both stopping less than 1/4 from the tip.
It would be so nice to receive your comments.

Blade length: 26 cms.
Total length:37 cms.
Width at forte: 37 m/m.
Thickness at forte: 9 m/m.
Wight: 357 grams.

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corrado26 · 4th November 2021, 03:41 PM

I am no expert on such kifes but as there is no ricasso and no mark or stamp of a maker, I think that the blade is the tip of a former sabre or sword.

fernando · 4th November 2021, 06:00 PM

Thank you for your input, Udo but ... i don't see the present format suggesting the final section of a previous sword. A sword with such blade back would be tremendous. But i might be wrong, though. I wouldn't reject it could be some other kind of modification... but which ?
Let us hear from other members... please

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thinreadline · 4th November 2021, 07:05 PM

the blade looks like a repurposed bayonet blade , and the grip , crossguard & scabbard are reminiscent of hunting knives made in India for sale to British officers and hunters in the late 19th / early 20th C.
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Gonzoadler · 5th November 2021, 08:46 AM

Hello,

I think a part of a pipe-back blade was repurposed in the 19th century here. For me it is difficult to say where and when exactly the dagger was made, but it doesn't look like a typical German or French piece.

Regards
Robin

fernando · 5th November 2021, 06:00 PM

Thanks again for your judgements.
I can now follow Robin's assumption that this would be a cut down part of a first quarter XIX century pipe-back sword blade; the back part, that is. I was skeptical of it being the tip section, as first suggested, due to its sturdy structure.
I understand that they copy European style hunting knives in India for British customers, and not only, but i find it hard to digest that the guard+scabbard in this one do not come from somewhere in Europe.

mariusgmioc · 6th November 2021, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzoadler

Hello,

I think a part of a pipe-back blade was repurposed in the 19th century here. For me it is difficult to say where and when exactly the dagger was made, but it doesn't look like a typical German or French piece.

Regards
Robin

Precisely my opinion too!

4th November 2021, 03:30 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	A hunting knife for comments I wonder if, by the pictures and details, you Gentlemen could tell me where this one comes from and its estimated age. In fact judging by the scabbard i would, within my limitations, place it in the (end)18th century. On the other hand, i see by some marks on the leather in that, the locket had a previous fixation, of one centimeter distant from the present one, which i would not assume this scabbard to be from a different knife but an 'elongation' of its length due to leather extreme shrinkage ... if you Gentlemen agree to that. I am less surprised with the blade deep wide fuller than with is strong roundish back, both stopping less than 1/4 from the tip. It would be so nice to receive your comments. Blade length: 26 cms. Total length:37 cms. Width at forte: 37 m/m. Thickness at forte: 9 m/m. Wight: 357 grams. . . Attached Images

4th November 2021, 06:00 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Thank you for your input, Udo but ... i don't see the present format suggesting the final section of a previous sword. A sword with such blade back would be tremendous. But i might be wrong, though. I wouldn't reject it could be some other kind of modification... but which ? Let us hear from other members... please . . Attached Images

5th November 2021, 08:46 AM	#5
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 239	Hello, I think a part of a pipe-back blade was repurposed in the 19th century here. For me it is difficult to say where and when exactly the dagger was made, but it doesn't look like a typical German or French piece. Regards Robin Attached Images Last edited by Gonzoadler; 5th November 2021 at 11:08 AM.

4th November 2021, 03:41 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	I am no expert on such kifes but as there is no ricasso and no mark or stamp of a maker, I think that the blade is the tip of a former sabre or sword.

4th November 2021, 07:05 PM	#4
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	the blade looks like a repurposed bayonet blade , and the grip , crossguard & scabbard are reminiscent of hunting knives made in India for sale to British officers and hunters in the late 19th / early 20th C. .

5th November 2021, 06:00 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Thanks again for your judgements. I can now follow Robin's assumption that this would be a cut down part of a first quarter XIX century pipe-back sword blade; the back part, that is. I was skeptical of it being the tip section, as first suggested, due to its sturdy structure. I understand that they copy European style hunting knives in India for British customers, and not only, but i find it hard to digest that the guard+scabbard in this one do not come from somewhere in Europe.