Gauntlets, German ?

francantolin · 27th May 2017, 07:29 AM

Hello,

What do you think of this model of gauntlets ?
German model ?
15th-16th century style ?
Originals or end 19th-early 20th copy ?

I'll post best pictures when I'll receive them.

A Senefelder · 28th May 2017, 01:19 PM

More pics of both inside and outside of these including the plates of the still intact thumb would be of great assistance. It appears that the cuff rivets have washers for holding the leathers for sewing the gloves in place which is good sign ( most all Victorian copies have simple blind rivets there to give the external appearance of this ).

francantolin · 30th May 2017, 10:28 PM

Here some closest pictures,

seems quite old but how much ?...
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THIS STAMP-HALLMARK ?? ( Picture 1 )

Kind Regards !

CSinTX · 31st May 2017, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

DOES ANYBODY KNOW THIS STAMP-HALLMARK ??

Kind Regards !

Looks like one of the Nuremberg marks.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19437

francantolin · 31st May 2017, 09:04 PM

Hello, thank's a lot for the precious link about the Nuremberg marks !

Kind regards

A Senefelder · 3rd June 2017, 02:16 PM

Constructionally here there are a number of positives beyond the rivets with cut washers for securing the glove leathers at the cuffs. The surviving thumb plates, while having a replaces leather, have the proper flush rivets for securing it and the end plate reposed to look like a finger nail is a feature not normally seen on Victorian copies. I believe I can see light hammer marking on the inside surfaces of the gauntlet plates which is a more period feature vs. the bend and strike from the outside with the hammer more common in modern manufacture for gauntlets. There's a good chance these are original probably c.1490-1500 Milanese style. If they are older copies they are of the highest quality. Again this is based only on photos, having the items in hand may alter perspective.

A Senefelder · 4th June 2017, 12:17 AM

Would it be possible to get some close ups of the thumb on the opposite gauntlet as well? I think i'm picking up some slight differences in shape and dimensions, that some closer pics would help verify.

francantolin · 4th June 2017, 04:49 PM

Hello Senefelder,

Thank's a lot for all precious detailled comments !
I will take and post other pictures of the thumbs area.

Kind Regards !

Franco

27th May 2017, 07:29 AM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 815	Gauntlets, German ? Hello, What do you think of this model of gauntlets ? German model ? 15th-16th century style ? Originals or end 19th-early 20th copy ? I'll post best pictures when I'll receive them. Attached Images

30th May 2017, 10:28 PM	#3
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 815	Here some closest pictures, seems quite old but how much ?... DOES ANYBODY KNOW THIS STAMP-HALLMARK ?? ( Picture 1 ) Kind Regards ! Attached Images

28th May 2017, 01:19 PM	#2
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	More pics of both inside and outside of these including the plates of the still intact thumb would be of great assistance. It appears that the cuff rivets have washers for holding the leathers for sewing the gloves in place which is good sign ( most all Victorian copies have simple blind rivets there to give the external appearance of this ).

31st May 2017, 09:04 PM	#5
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 815	Hello, thank's a lot for the precious link about the Nuremberg marks ! Kind regards

3rd June 2017, 02:16 PM	#6
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Constructionally here there are a number of positives beyond the rivets with cut washers for securing the glove leathers at the cuffs. The surviving thumb plates, while having a replaces leather, have the proper flush rivets for securing it and the end plate reposed to look like a finger nail is a feature not normally seen on Victorian copies. I believe I can see light hammer marking on the inside surfaces of the gauntlet plates which is a more period feature vs. the bend and strike from the outside with the hammer more common in modern manufacture for gauntlets. There's a good chance these are original probably c.1490-1500 Milanese style. If they are older copies they are of the highest quality. Again this is based only on photos, having the items in hand may alter perspective.

4th June 2017, 12:17 AM	#7
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Would it be possible to get some close ups of the thumb on the opposite gauntlet as well? I think i'm picking up some slight differences in shape and dimensions, that some closer pics would help verify.

4th June 2017, 04:49 PM	#8
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 815	Hello Senefelder, Thank's a lot for all precious detailled comments ! I will take and post other pictures of the thumbs area. Kind Regards ! Franco