A French halberd head ?

fernando · 22nd March 2013, 03:25 PM

I was offered this one. Acquired in France. Had a look to Newmann's and other assorted publications and inferred this would be a French
halberd/partizan head. The socket was a poor replacement; i took it off right away.
What do you guys say about this thing ?

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A Senefelder · 22nd March 2013, 03:47 PM

Fernando, this is an offhand observation only, the chiselwork decoration at the base of the head around where the tines are reminds me of the decorations i've seen on late 19th/early 20th century Afghan axeheads and spears.

fernando · 22nd March 2013, 06:01 PM

Not so offhand, Allan,
To tell you the truth, i was divided into posting this piece in the Ethno section or in here.
The decoration also looks Eastern to me but, somehow, i was influenced by the (French looking ?) extensions and by the fact that it was acquired in France.
Will copy this thread to the Ethno Forum.

Norman McCormick · 23rd March 2013, 02:37 PM

Hi Fernando,
Possibly a South European Ronseur?
My Regards,
Norman.

Timo Nieminen · 23rd March 2013, 10:56 PM

The curly spikes are very thick. Is it cast? The thickness of the spikes makes me think "Victorian replica" or similar.

How large/heavy is it?

fernando · 24th March 2013, 12:12 PM

Thank you Norman

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Just about what i think it might be. Watch the example in Neumann's book.

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fernando · 24th March 2013, 12:26 PM

Thank you Timo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timo Nieminen

The curly spikes are very thick. Is it cast? The thickness of the spikes makes me think "Victorian replica" or similar.

How large/heavy is it?

Total length 38 cms.... as it is, without socket. Weight 512 grams. Width at the extensions 7 cms.
I don't think this cast work ... or Victorian !
Besides, the decorations represent some later interference, as proposed by David, rather than proposed by Allan

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/newrep...ote=1&p=154918

junker · 1st April 2013, 05:11 PM

Hi,
I found the two in the book from Müller/Körting.
First is called an italian one with the decoration, second also called a french halberd. Both from end of the 17 century

best
Dirk

fernando · 1st April 2013, 05:44 PM

Thank you so much for those precious pictures, Dirk.
Assuming i have a descendant of those early specimens, the problem now is guessing how late my variant is.
Maybe the Islamic decoration probability is now less evident.

junker · 1st April 2013, 06:03 PM

I will keep my eyes open. because i like polearms and lances best maybe i get once another clue

22nd March 2013, 03:25 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	A French halberd head ? I was offered this one. Acquired in France. Had a look to Newmann's and other assorted publications and inferred this would be a French halberd/partizan head. The socket was a poor replacement; i took it off right away. What do you guys say about this thing ? . Attached Images

23rd March 2013, 02:37 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,575	Hi Fernando, Possibly a South European Ronseur? My Regards, Norman. Attached Images

24th March 2013, 12:12 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Thank you Norman . Just about what i think it might be. Watch the example in Neumann's book. . Attached Images

1st April 2013, 05:11 PM	#8
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, I found the two in the book from Müller/Körting. First is called an italian one with the decoration, second also called a french halberd. Both from end of the 17 century best Dirk Attached Images

22nd March 2013, 03:47 PM	#2
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Fernando, this is an offhand observation only, the chiselwork decoration at the base of the head around where the tines are reminds me of the decorations i've seen on late 19th/early 20th century Afghan axeheads and spears.

22nd March 2013, 06:01 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Not so offhand, Allan, To tell you the truth, i was divided into posting this piece in the Ethno section or in here. The decoration also looks Eastern to me but, somehow, i was influenced by the (French looking ?) extensions and by the fact that it was acquired in France. Will copy this thread to the Ethno Forum.

23rd March 2013, 10:56 PM	#5
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	The curly spikes are very thick. Is it cast? The thickness of the spikes makes me think "Victorian replica" or similar. How large/heavy is it?

1st April 2013, 05:44 PM	#9
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Thank you so much for those precious pictures, Dirk. Assuming i have a descendant of those early specimens, the problem now is guessing how late my variant is. Maybe the Islamic decoration probability is now less evident.

1st April 2013, 06:03 PM	#10
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	I will keep my eyes open. because i like polearms and lances best maybe i get once another clue