Austrian flintlock Pistol for id

Cerjak · 15th February 2015, 10:40 AM

Who could tell me which model is it ,this pistol is CIRCA 43 cm ,I found a similar pistol but with percussion lock called Kavalleriepistole M-1851.
Any comment on it will be welcome.
BEST

Cerjak

fernando · 15th February 2015, 11:09 AM

Isn't that the Poinçon de Liege, Jean-Luc ?

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... and isn't the one you found similar, the same model later converted to percussion ?

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fernando · 15th February 2015, 11:58 AM

In other words ...

Your example would be the Austrian cavalry pistol Model 1798. This pistol type later became Model 1851 when it received the Augustin system percussion lock. Some surplus of this Austrian arms were delivered to US forces in the early days of the Civil War.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Augustin_Model_1851

Cerjak · 15th February 2015, 01:15 PM

Hi Fernando

Yes the M1798 has the same type au stock but the lock is different with a brass flash pan.( see the photos) and as you can see my pistol lock is more similar in design to the percution lock M 1851 .
So I was wondering it was not a transition model after the m 1798 and before the M 1851.
Best
Jean-Luc

Fernando K · 15th February 2015, 02:38 PM

hello

For me, is a Belgian copy, the punch of Liege and the number "852" which means 1852

Affectionately. Fernando K

corrado26 · 15th February 2015, 04:45 PM

This was originally an Austrian pistol M 1851 system Augustin, a special Percussion system only used in Austria. After the German-Austrian War of 1866 Austria sold lots of these pistols to the market. Liège Dealers and gunmakers bought them in great quantities and built them back to flintlocks. These reconverted pistols have than been sold to states in South America and given as exchange material to African clan chiefs in the European overseas colonies.

corrado26

15th February 2015, 10:40 AM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Austrian flintlock Pistol for id Who could tell me which model is it ,this pistol is CIRCA 43 cm ,I found a similar pistol but with percussion lock called Kavalleriepistole M-1851. Any comment on it will be welcome. BEST Cerjak Attached Images

15th February 2015, 11:09 AM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,640	Isn't that the Poinçon de Liege, Jean-Luc ? . ... and isn't the one you found similar, the same model later converted to percussion ? . Attached Images

15th February 2015, 01:15 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Hi Fernando Yes the M1798 has the same type au stock but the lock is different with a brass flash pan.( see the photos) and as you can see my pistol lock is more similar in design to the percution lock M 1851 . So I was wondering it was not a transition model after the m 1798 and before the M 1851. Best Jean-Luc Attached Images

15th February 2015, 11:58 AM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,640	In other words ... Your example would be the Austrian cavalry pistol Model 1798. This pistol type later became Model 1851 when it received the Augustin system percussion lock. Some surplus of this Austrian arms were delivered to US forces in the early days of the Civil War. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Augustin_Model_1851

15th February 2015, 02:38 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 663	hello For me, is a Belgian copy, the punch of Liege and the number "852" which means 1852 Affectionately. Fernando K

15th February 2015, 04:45 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	This was originally an Austrian pistol M 1851 system Augustin, a special Percussion system only used in Austria. After the German-Austrian War of 1866 Austria sold lots of these pistols to the market. Liège Dealers and gunmakers bought them in great quantities and built them back to flintlocks. These reconverted pistols have than been sold to states in South America and given as exchange material to African clan chiefs in the European overseas colonies. corrado26